705 and 710 forced to accept contract.

[BuckyBadger]

What is a 25.13 position?

710 get healthcare after 9 months now?

Anyone?

 

[babboo25]

They should be driving whatever is the most inexpensive reliable transportation to get them to all points necessary. Don't ask a question you don't want the answer to.

Thank you

 

[babboo25]

Anyone?

Sorry I don’t have an answer

 

[EasyTrucker]

I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???

 

[babboo25]

I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???

It’s amount of 22.4s that’s allowed vs very few 22.3s per building.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

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Carte blanche to do whatever the hell they want.

I'm going to be looking into this particular section. It creates a conflict of interest, gives the membership no means for holding leadership accountable, negates the entire purpose of a constitution.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

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Every offer taken to the membership is a "final offer".

@DriveInDriveOut and I hashed this out. If you look at subsection (b) it pretty clearly lays out the steps for renegotiating after a contract is voted down by a majority of voters, "final offer" or not.

 

[burrheadd]

They should be driving whatever is the most inexpensive reliable transportation to get them to all points necessary. Don't ask a question you don't want the answer to.

Moped?

 

[Frankie's Friend]

I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???

We've discussed this since August.
You realize that:

 

[Frankie's Friend]

Moped?

Car pool?

 

[JustDeliverIt]

I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???

22.3 is a way for PTers to go FT without having to drive. The 22.4 "combo" job, who will almost never see the inside of a building since it is cheaper to have them deliver than a top rate driver, now count towards the creation of FT jobs promised in the contract. It makes it a lot tougher to get FT if driving isn't an option for some people. Never mind the other downfalls of 22.4 that have been beaten to death the last few months here. Quick search here will give you all of those answers if you want to look them up.

 

[Mugarolla]

@DriveInDriveOut and I hashed this out. If you look at subsection (b) it pretty clearly lays out the steps for renegotiating after a contract is voted down by a majority of voters, "final offer" or not.

What do you mean "final offers" or not?

Yes, subsection b) is for offers and subsection d) is for final offers.

Black and white.

The issue is whether it was a final offer or not.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

What should they be driving.....a 5 year old Toyota Corolla ?

Depends, who is paying for it?

 

[Bubblehead]

What do you mean "final offers" or not?

Yes, subsection b) is for offers and subsection d) is for final offers.

Black and white.

The issue is whether it was a final offer or not.

....and who decides whether it's a "final offer", or not???

 

[Mugarolla]

22.3 is a way for PTers to go FT without having to drive. The 22.4 "combo" job, who will almost never see the inside of a building since it is cheaper to have them deliver than a top rate driver, now count towards the creation of FT jobs promised in the contract. It makes it a lot tougher to get FT if driving isn't an option for some people. Never mind the other downfalls of 22.4 that have been beaten to death the last few months here. Quick search here will give you all of those answers if you want to look them up.

We never had full-time jobs, or very few, without driving in the past.

And not every center has 22.3 jobs, so I really am not concerned about these part-timers that want a full-time job but don't want to drive.

Someone who can't drive is a different story, but there aren't many of those.

 

[Mugarolla]

....and who decides whether it's a "final offer", or not???

Hoffa.

I should say the National Negotiating Committee, per the IBT Constitution, but ultimately, Hoffa.

 

[Mugarolla]

....and who decides whether it's a "final offer", or not???

I edited the previous post that you agreed to.

 

[Bubblehead]

I edited the previous post that you agreed to.

Still a "winner".

 

[Bubblehead]

We never had full-time jobs, or very few, without driving in the past.

And not every center has 22.3 jobs, so I really am not concerned about these part-timers that want a full-time job but don't want to drive.

Someone who can't drive is a different story, but there aren't many of those.

Once upon a time, we never had part-time workers either????
Now it's 65%...

We should be very concerned with maintaining and expanding the 22.3 worker ranks at UPS.
After all, we all know many co-workers who were able to use these positions to make it to retirement.

Who knows, the next one could be you....or me???

 

[EasyTrucker]

I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???

We've discussed this since August.
You realize that:
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Again you’re either against “two-tier” or you’re for it?!?! They both fit the definition of what you call “two-tier”! Same job, less pay.