705 and 710 forced to accept contract.
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cachmeifucan
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It was more than likely made in America but assembled in Mexico.
cachmeifucan
Well-Known Member
It's not ups fault but it is their problem. That's the whole reason why cost of living adjustment. that's why pension in certain areas is higher. So you advocate for same pay and same pension for all drivers. Why do you think they already pay 15 in Seattle for awhile for new hires.
710 steward
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Bug
You’re wasting your time. This guy is the poster child of RTW. He’ll opt out of the union and expect all the union benefits.
Wow, because I’m voting Yes i support RTW? Unbelievable
cachmeifucan
Well-Known Member
I'm all for right to work. Might actually scare the union to get off the bum and honor the vote and fight for a good contract. Our union is a big business in itself. IL still pay the bribe and stay in union but if people don't get good representation they should opt out
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
You're right, they are not relating the Master this year to the forced Supplements in 2013.
But they are questioning why Hoffa forced the Supplements this year when he didn't in 2013, but has nothing to do with the Master.
My point still stands. Nobody in power is stating that 2 d) does not apply and that section only applies to a strike vote, like a few members on this site keep insisting.
Sean OB and the other VP's are just saying that he did not have to impose 2 d) because the Company was still willing to negotiate, not that it didn't apply.
SameRightsForAll
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He absolutely needs to go.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I'm not saying anything doesn't apply, I'm saying it all applies. It's not either/or, it's more like if/then. A strike was authorized under section 2 d), so according to 2 d) the nnc and geb did not have the authority to impose, and would have to renegotiate or declare a strike. Later sections outline rules for striking, section 2 b) outlines rules for renegotiating, and even if the paragraph about reopener doesn't apply in this case, section 2 b) and the guidelines for renegotiations still do, because of the paragraph in section 2 c)
"All provisions of Section 2(b) and (c) of this Article shall be equally applicable to companywide negotiations and agreements negotiated on an area, multi‑employer, multi‑state, multi‑area, or national basis"
Section 2 b) starts out with:
"If a majority of the votes cast by the involved membership approve such agreement, it shall become binding and effective upon all Local Unions involved..."
So because we authorized a strike in accordance with 2 d), section 2 b) applies, and the rule used by section 2 b) for approving an agreement is simple majority of votes cast by the involved membership. This vote failed that criteria, as such, negotiations must continue. See what happens when you apply the entire Article, and not just focus on one section?
I have to say, I do appreciate you taking the time to point out the flaws in my argument. I feel better prepared now.
IGotARock
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I took a train there once. I believe it was the final train of the night.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
This is the main issue.
But, neither Hoffa, the IBT Attorneys, Sean OB nor the rest of the VP's agree with this statement.
So, is essence, they believe in either/or, not if/then, and all of them believe it.
They are some pretty high ranking and powerful officials that don't agree with your interpretation of the IBT Constitution.
But yes, you are entitled to your opinion and your interpretation, I will never tell anyone they are not. I just don't agree with it, which is OK, but the bigwigs also don't agree with it.
And they are the only ones that count.
BuckyBadger
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It would truly be hilarious if that got taken a court, and there's plenty of powers-that-be that would like to see the union dead that could make that happen.
BuckyBadger
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What in the world are you talking about?
542thruNthru
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He's talking about how unions buy union made products. Like the flyers you receive from the union in the mail are made in union shops.
With a union bug on it.
F
Frankie's Friend
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Happens all the time.
BuckyBadger
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Aaannnndddd?
Okay, so the requirements are a big vehicle for these ummmm....larger gentlemen, and has to be Union friendly. Well, I'm sure there's a minivan out there that fits those descriptions. Problem solved.
BuckyBadger
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Sups are pulling their hair out trying to get 30 plus more people by next week. $13/hr isn't going to be enough. Oh what a disaster awaits.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Funny you mention this.
(Yes it's time.... for some TDU bashing)
In one Local election, the TDU pukes running against us photo copied a Union
bug on their handouts. Then, they cut out the labels on all their T-shirts showing
the Chinese manufacture. That's as low as you can get.
You quoted me, but wasn't sure which one you were talking about.
We need 20+ drivers and currently only have 20 helpers.
