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from the local 2727 web site:

Presidents Message
May 2, 2001
Brother and Sisters,
This year will prove to be our most challenging year ever. As most of you know, several other
airlines mechanics contracts have already become, or will become amendable this year. As always,
we believe that UPS mechanics should remain at the top of the industry for pay and benefits. The
most compelling reason for this is the overall profitability of UPS. Other reasons are the obvious
ones that we are all too familiar with. UPS demanding management style and lack of compassion,
in itself, should bring us all several additional dollars an hour.
Aside from that, we believe that the UPS aircraft mechanics and related employees are the best
in the industry. Our Aircraft Mechanics must be skilled in every area of aircraft systems, power
plant and structure on 6 fleet types, with varying engine and component installations. It includes our
Maintenance Controllers who demand perfection in their skills and assure safety in the fleet
everyday, the Flight Simulator Technicians who's electronic skills are far superior to any of those at
any airline, and our Utility members who's jobs range from mechanics helper, tool manufacturer,
stores clerk, service equipment repair, computer technician and delivery person.
Over the past year, UPS has announced several business expansion plans and continues its
acquisitions of other companies, airlines and freight forwarders while adding several new aircraft to
the fleet. Gobbling up their competitors and reaching out to every part of the globe. UPS's presence
in Asia, Europe and South America will bring immediate enrichment to the Company along with
greater opportunities for expansion. There is no doubt that UPS knows how to make money.
We, too, have a plan for expansion, that is, the pages between our Contract that provide for
greater job protection, the scope of the work we do, our paychecks, our bank accounts, our medical
benefits, our retirement funds and our time with our families on vacations.
With your continued support we can achieve our goals and at the same time UPS will achieve
theirs. So long as they remain cooperative and willing to negotiate in good faith, fairly and
generously. As a publicly traded Company, UPS will have to rethink the negative effects of their
mistake in 1997, and focus on terms of how we all can benefit from the Company's prosperity. A
happy work force is a productive work force.
With your continued help and support we will remain at the top in the industry for Mechanics
and Related, and just may close the gap on other professions. With you total support and the help
of the other 200,000 Teamsters at UPS we will tell UPS with conviction. . .
SHOW ME THE MONEY!
Fraternally,
Joe Darmento
 
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retired1

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Highlights of Tentative Agreement
between
Teamsters Local 2727
and
United Parcel Service Airlines
Aircraft Maintenance Technicians and Related Classifications
CONTRACT LANGUAGE OVERIDES ANY UNINTENTIONAL ERRORS, OMMISSIONS, OR DISPUTES OF INTERPRETATION CONTAINED IN THIS PRESENTATION


Article 1Scope, Purpose, and Status of Agreement
Protected current work of Local 2727, as well as that work for any newly acquired aircraft.
Added a guarantee of an additional 150 hours of phase check work.
No aircraft can be domiciled outside the US if a factor of transfer was who performed the maintenance.
Flow chart to protect D items from being moved to heavy check when Local 2727 should complete them.
Employees will not be held responsible for using good judgment when unable to contact a supervisor.
All current benefits and perks will continue.
Enhanced Local 2727s represented employees' protection in the event of merger, purchase or acquisition or marketing alliances.
Foreign operations, new language to allow mechanics to go field service to some international locations.
Article 2 Probation
Employees cannot be discharged due to having sustained an occupational injury or illness.
Probationary period suspended while on disability.
Union Representatives have one hour with new hires during orientation at whatever gateway class is held. Management will not be present for at least 45 minutes of that time.
Company will not use any information or facts received or discovered from previous employers in any disciplinary action or arbitration unless it was falsified.
Article 3 Seniority
Protected classification seniority for all classifications (including AMC and FST).
Will not lose seniority in classification for which you were hired.
Protected medical coverage, 401(k), and pension for employees coming into this Union from the parent Company.
Seniority lists will now be published with ALL classification(s) seniority held by each employee, e.g., Inspector and AMT.
Article 4 Training
Travel to training on 121 carrier or Company equipment. If no direct service, then Union and Company will mutually agree on travel for that gateway.
Travel time to training in any Company provided transportation will be for actual hours.
Secured per diem for travel regardless of method of transportation.
Increased rental car reimbursement to $12.00 per day.
All travel time for training will be at the applicable rate.
Hotels will be mutually agreed to and comparable to flight crews.
Company must not schedule training if it conflicts with vacation.
Secured training for Maintenance Controllers.
Company will reschedule training due to hardship.
Article 5 Union Representation
Unescorted access to facilities where our members work by EB officers .
Employee will be afforded Union representation for Article 6, 7 and 8 issues.
Company must secure a signed waiver of representation from a member prior to having discussions without representation for Article 6, 7 and 8 issues.
Priority 4 jumpseat for Union reps on Union business.
Company communication equipment/transportation system may be used for Safety Complaints or grievances and supporting material sent to Company.
Better language regarding Steward duties and rights.
Improved language for employees on lost time for Union business purposes.
Strike and picket line language with increased protections.
Increased paid time for Union business to 100 hours.
Article 6 Grievance Procedure
Clarified conditions of each Step in grievance process.
After Step 3, grievance is automatically scheduled for next available System Board unless withdrawn.
Prioritization of cases for SBA based on issue involved.
Company must give reason for denying a grievance other than no contract violation.
Article 7 System Board
No more deadlocks at System Board.
System Board is now a 5 member panel. The neutral arbitrator will be present on all Boards.
Arbitrators must be from the National Academy of Arbitrators and must have airline experience.
Arbitrators must agree to procedural policy as set by Company and Union and must adhere to the policy or be removed from the panel.
Arbitrators will be pre-selected and pre-scheduled so that there is the availability of a System Board at least twice a month except none in December. More Board dates can be set if cases cannot be heard within a 4 month period.
Scope clause violations, Executive Board cases, and termination cases have priority and may bump other cases for the next System Board.
Article 8 Discipline, Suspension & Discharge
Discharges, suspensions and warnings must be in writing with offense listed.
If procedures arent properly followed regarding the employees Union rights for representation for disciplinary hearings, all discipline will be invalidated.
Innocent until proven guilty language.
Warnings recorded in the members record must be initialed by the employee and a copy given upon request.
Waiver of Union Representation form must be signed if no Representative is requested.
Employees remain on the job while disciplinary grievance is processed,
except serious infractions listed in Section 1.
Article 9 - Uniforms
New short sleeve cotton polo shirt option. Employees may purchase from the Company at its cost. This does not affect classifications already issued polo shirts as standard uniform.
Improved language to insure employees who work in cold weather gateways or who are TDY at cold weather gateways will have adequate cold weather gear.
Employees will be issued overshoe rain boots as part of rain gear.
Article 10 - Pay Periods and Time Clocks
Wage shortage language reduced from $60 to $30 for full time and from $30 to $15 for part time.
Shortage amounts will be available for SDF on 2nd payroll workday after report.
For other gateways, shortage amounts of $50 or more will be received via NDA on 2nd payroll workday after report.
Overages in excess of $500 will not be collected without grievance process exhausted.
Employee may request the shortage to be in his next weekly paycheck.
If employee does not receive the shortage amount in the time specified after reporting the shortage, he will receive 2 hours pay in addition to the shortage.
Company must provide accurate and timely W-2s and will immediately notify employee of any W-2 error.
Included language regarding problems incurred with benefit-limit testing.
Social Security numbers will not be recorded on time cards within 2 years of ratification.
No employee will be responsible for processing or forwarding payroll sheets, time cards or data on his own time.
Article 11 Hours of Work (Full Time)
Shifts composed of 8s and 12s limited to 2% system-wide.
Split shift vacancies limited to 5 system-wide.
Split shift premium increased to $2.75 per hour.
No employee will be contacted at home for the purpose of discussing disciplinary matters.
Improved language regarding moving start times by 2 hours.
Improved language regarding moving start times by more than 2 hours.
Clarified limitation on changing bid times at any gateway.
Employees scheduled start time cannot be reset so Company can avoid paying any premium or overtime rate unless requested by the employee.
Defined operational changes and equipment changes in regard to shift changes.
Clarified language for hardship trades and regular trades.
Full pension contributions will be made as a default during trades.
Protected an employees overtime rate when a trade is involved.
Additional meal periods when working beyond shift schedule.
Additional paid breaks when working beyond shift schedule.
Clarified and improved language on early/late lunch, no lunch, and early release without lunch.
12 hour schedule now has 3 ten minute breaks.
Temporary peak season gateway schedules requiring start time changes greater than 2 hours, will require bidding at the gateway.
Unpaid interruptions of work 3 hours or less will be considered continuous for calculating overtime rate.
Article 12 Part Time Employees
Maximum regular schedule: 25 hrs per week.
P/Ters hours/schedule is first to be changed before full time employee when there is an operational or schedule change.
Language to convert P/T position to friend/T position when gateway aggregate hours equates to a friend/T position.
P/Ters will be guaranteed their scheduled hours, as opposed to 3 hours, guaranteed 3 hrs for call-in.
friend/T employee bidding P/T vacancy can bid a friend/T vacancy after 20 months.
P/T limited to gateways of 15 or less. Current P/Ters are protected if gateway grows.
P/T utility worker limited to gateways having 10 to 50 AMTs. Protected if gateway grows.
Double time continues until an 8 hour rest.
D/T for last RDO.
Article 13 Full Time Employee Overtime
Double time for employee who was on double time at punch out and did not receive 8 hour rest prior to returning to duty.
Minimum 3 hours work or pay when called in on regular day off.
Minimum 3 hours work or pay when called in on regular day on, not contiguous with regular shift.
Overtime rules the same for all gateways.
First preference for OT goes to employee with at least 8 hrs rest from scheduled punch out to scheduled start time of his next report.
Clarified ineligibility rules.
Unexcused late or absence for overtime will not be attendance occurrence resulting in discipline. It may result in progressive OT restriction.
Minimum one hour early start and one hour job continuation.
If the rest period encroaches upon an employees regular shift he will have the following options:
Return to work at double time
Return to work after rest at straight time
Return to work at next report at receive guarantee at straight time, if approved.
Article 14 - Filling of Vacancies
Company must immediately fill vacant positions.
Clarified dates when Quarterly Preference Bid schedules must begin.
Standing bids now be submitted, changed or deleted at anytime.
Standing bids may be refused within 24 hours of notification.
Only one refusal per year allowed and it incurs a 6 month bid penalty.
Employees can view all bids for a rolling 2 month period.
Utility employees with A&P can take oral, written and practical test then bid an AMT opening at gateways with more than 50 AMTs.
Evaluation period is reduced to one year.
Their bids will be accepted on a 2 for 1 basis.
Article 15 - Full Time AMT TDY
$2 per hour premium for all time spent preparing, waiting, traveling, and working the TDY.
TDY staffing limited to 15% system-wide.
Grouping must be agreed to by Union each year or upon change in staffing levels. Gateways of 100 or more cannot have more than 4 TDY groups.
TDY gateways can TDY to other TDY gateways but not internally.
Allows for dividing up a TDY assignment between 2 or more AMTs if group depletion is a factor.
Awards must be made between 7 and 14 days prior to departure for normal TDY.
Incorporated LOA on Emergency TDY with minor changes.
No forcing with a prior approved day off, leave of absence, or crew trade.
Forcing limited to a maximum of 2 weeks at a time. If more forcing is needed, the Company chooses next junior AMT.
Each employee on TDY will have a rental car.
Advance per diem check now will be for all planned hours away from gateway. Taxable portion will be at lowest rate allowed by IRS.
If employee has meal and personal laundry expense receipts exceeding the $2 per diem, he may be reimbursed up to an additional 25 cents per hour.
Up to one hour for meal period with management approval while on TDY.
Employee who drove to TDY gateway is allowed to return home as soon as TDY work is done.
Article 16 - Field Service
Each work center (QC separate list) has an EFS list: one for days, one for nights.
Detailed procedures for selection: one for 4hrs.
Protection for employees with documented fear of flying.
Individual rental cars for each employee.
Same per diem override clause as TDY.
After 24 hours on duty, regardless of location, an employee is entitled to rest.
Vacation time is protected. No forcing within 72 hrs of vacation. Co must return you to domicile prior to start of vacation if you notify them 24 hrs prior to the start of your vacation.
Article 17 - Leave of Absence
MILITARY: Added active duty. Considered time worked for purposes of pension plans, vacation/option eligibility and payment, holidays, seniority, and overtime calculation. Health care for 30 days, thereafter in accordance with USERRA.
FUNERAL: Step child now regardless of dependency, and step parent.
FMLA: Co may apply employees vacation/option weeks while on FMLA, however, one week must remain available for vacation purposes. Prohibition on Company converting VDI leave instances to FMLA leave.
SUBSTANCE ABUSE: One-time leave. Employee gets Article 30 benefits while on leave. Seniority now continues and employee now gets all other benefits under Contract as well.
COURT SUBPOENA: Lost time paid when called as a fact witness for a case unrelated to self or a relative. All time and expenses paid for when it is a subpoena for a Company case.
Article 18 - Moving Expenses
Paid moves for a laid off employee and the first one he displaces.
Paid moves to gateway from which laid off for recalls within 3 years.
Commute distance reduced to 30 miles for paid moves when work center moves over 75 miles.
Shipping weight increased to 18,000 lbs. Employee now receives $110/day; employee and spouse $140/day, and $25/day for each dependent child.
Alaska moves: 14 day allowance when driving or, at employees request, commercial tickets for employee and dependents.
Special benefits for moves not completed within the contiguous US.
Article 19 - Recognition, Union Shop, & Check-off
No changes
Article 20 - Safety and Health
Created subcommittee for OSHA standards compliance.
Employee not required or assigned to engage in unsafe activity.
Bottled drinking water where water is not suitable for drinking.
No surveillance equipment in locker rooms.
Privacy barriers required around all emergency showers.
3 pairs leather gloves and 6 cotton each year.
Improved Safety Committee language.
Employees not required to operate unsafe vehicles.
Defined serious accident.
New Section on employees rights regarding safety on the job.
Union will be notified of any serious accident.
Union may participate in investigation of accident involving members.
New language regarding lifting, torqueing, loading, etc., of items or forces over 70 pounds.

Article 21 - Subcontracting and Charters
Improved language on subcontracting.
Subcontracting forms must be supplied to EB member in advance of work.
Subcontracting shall not adversely affect employees wages, hours, and other working conditions.
Within 6 months, Company agrees to replace scheduled vendors with Local 2727 AMTs.
Subcontracting grievance is timely if filed within 10 days of A/Cs arrival at first gateway staffed by Local 2727 after departing vendor.
Improved language for staffing gateway with a full time position.
Where AMTs work alone on aircraft, a safety notification system shall be provided.
Improved tri-party disputes.
Leased aircraft shall not change work status or schedule of any AMT as a result of lease.
Leased aircraft language the same as pilots agreement with Company.
Minimum Staffing per aircraft in or added to the Companys certificate.
4.0 AMTs
0.1 AMCs
0.08 Inspectors
Charters: AMTs chosen where Company does not have staffing domestically or internationally.
Pay is now applicable rate, including flight time.
Per diem IAW Article 15
Reciprocal travel benefits for contracted work we perform on other Carrier aircraft. Incorporated the Nippon letter of agreement.
Article 22- Job Classifications, Descriptions and Shops
Company will not subcontract work of the nature, type or category that is normally and routinely performed by us.
LST duties delineated.
Company has 2 weeks to administer test when requested by employee
Test score is valid for 2 years
Company will fill 5 positions per year until Tech Support Group is fully staffed with LSTs
LSTs may be sent on Field Service to assist in repairs
Within 30 days of ratification, LSMs may chose an AMC position or an LST position
AMC duties delineated and improved.
Employees successfully passing tests may be awarded AMC bids.
Test score is valid for 2 years
Company may continue to use 2 Cover Controllers only for vacation/option, training or disability. Night shift premium for all hours.
Inspector
Improved language for duties
All Inspectors will be provided borescope and NDT training to maintain proficiency
Inspectors will not be assigned Utility Worker classification duties
Incorporated Field Service letter of agreement and maintained SDF relief position at SDF
Flight Simulator Technicians
Expanded their job description and previous Lead FST duties are now FST duties also
Limited management from performing FST duties
AMTs
Clarified job description and RII language
Junior AMTs
If less than 3 years heavy jet experience
Company may hire up to 50 per year
2 year evaluation if hired from street, 1 year if Utility upgrade
Junior mechanics on the payroll at date of ratification shall become AMTs at the appropriate pay scale based on time in classification and evaluation shall be considered completed.
Utility Workers
Clarified job description
Within 30 days of ratification, Company will fill 1 vacancy in ANC
Utility Worker will perform work in SDF Training Center
Company will provide all initial and recurrent welding training w/o loss of time or pay.
Incorporated LOAs for domestic subcontracting and warranty repairs
Integration of 757 C check tasks
Company agrees to pull out work from C check packages within 3 months of ratification for Local 2727 to perform as part of Phase check
Company and Union will meet to review C check package to pull out more C check work
Within 6 months of ratification, Company will increase component repair performed in-house by at least 7,000 hours per year.
Company and Union will meet every third Monday of each month to review labor hours and total costs for work being performed by vendor for the purpose of brining more work in-house.
All wheel and brake work currently performed by vendors in the US will be performed by Local 2727
Machining equipment will be purchased and simple machining of tools and parts will be done in-house
Guarantee of hours improved
Provided language to protect our work if Company reestablishes passenger operations.
SBA agreement on 3 man taxi incorporated into language.
Article 23-Injury and Illness
Clarified language of illness/injury absences in regard to doctor forms and requirements for return to work.
Insured immediate emergency medical attention when injured or ill on job.
Clarified medical release language.
Clarified disputed claim procedures.
Temporary Alternate Work program will be agreed upon and established within 90 days of ratification.
Company will supply hearing aids and repair or replacement for employees who sustain hearing loss.
75% pay from 4th day of off job injury or illness and 100% when on the job.
Company may establish 4 AMT positions system-wide and 4 Utility in SDF as relief in return for this improvement. Premium rate of $1.00/hr.
Attendance Policy established and incorporated.
Article 24-Layoff and Recall
Clarified the procedures and the choices for employees being laid-off or displaced.
Protected years of service for severance pay credit. Established conditions for restoration of full credit after returning from laid-off status
Added 14 and 15 weeks of severance after working the same amount of years.
Any employee may volunteer for layoff and be laid off from gateway, with right of recall.
Article 25-FAA Mandated Drug & Alcohol Testing Program
Employees testing positive for drugs or alcohol will have a one time opportunity for rehabilitation.
Employees may volunteer for rehabilitation prior to being notified of a random test. Such treatment unless required by law will not be reported to any regulatory agency.
Rehabilitation may be sought after a positive drug or alcohol test provided the employee has not sought rehabilitation under Article 17 previously.
Company agrees that it is expressly prohibited to perform or have performed any blood drawn testing or other body invasive procedure.
The Company will not require an employee to provide a urine specimen under direct observation except as required under 49 CFR part 40.67.

Article 26-Definitions
Incorporated necessary definitions.
Article 27-Separability and Savings
No changes

Article 28-Maintenance of Standards
Clarifications and Improvements

Article 29-General & Maintenance Provisions
Provided language to protect against transit times in excess of 15 minutes from Company provided parking to report area.
Me, too language for jumpseat privileges.
Improved language regarding mental examinations.
Prohibition on certain garnishment fees.
Improved language on special projects.
When entering property, treated like flight crewmembers for security procedures.
When exiting property, treated no differently than other employees for security procedures.
Jumpseating Local 2727 represented employees will be treated the same as flight crewmembers when exiting with them.
No surveillance cameras or audio recorders used in any area where employees change clothes, take breaks, eat meals or use toilet/shower facilities unless the Union agrees.
No pregnant employee required to be exposed to x-ray or other devices with any risk during pregnancy.
Within 3 months of ratification, Company will provide health data on security screening devices.

Article 30-Health and Disability Coverage
A new Health Care Plan that meets and in some cases exceeds current coverage including Short Term Disability with no cost to the employee.
PPO, PCP, HMO, Traditional--all at employees annual election.
The new plan allows an option for employees to visit the doctor of their choice including specialist, without referral.
Implemented within 90 days of ratification, seamless with current Plan.
LTD for 75% of base pay for a premium at the employees option.
Life insurance of $200,000 will be maintained for all employees.
Additional life insurance and AD&D will be available through the new plan.
Retiree benefits coverage continue.
Article 31-Pension
Retroactive pension contributions from 8/1/2001 within 30 days.
Utility on payroll prior to Dec 4, 1996, receive 80% of top rate AMT up to 45 hrs or $101, whichever is greater.
Except above, all classifications on payroll at ratification will receive 12% pension on up to 45 hrs straight time per week.
Floor of $91 if at least 1 day worked for all on payroll at ratification.
Post ratification employees, 12% of 40 hours.
Junior AMTs post-ratification will receive defined benefit first 2 years. Vested after 5 yrs of service with Company. Begin 12% pension on 3rd year with Company.
Article 32-Holidays
International holidays in Puerto Rico to be agreed upon. Same number.
Black out period now December 11 to 24, inclusive.
Reschedule birthday holiday falling during disability if desired.
Probationary employees receive holiday pay after 30 days with Co.
All hours on holiday paid at double and one-half.
Clarified when work is required on an observed holiday.
Tax deferred Holiday Bank.
Work at time and one-half, bank the straight time hrs for all hrs.
Accrues at 5.5% interest
Can be paid for certain otherwise unpaid leaves
At TDY gateways: Can be paid for up to 3 days requested off, first 2 do not affect perfect attendance, the third would.
At non-TDY gateways: Can take as additional week of vacation in conjunction with Birthday Holiday, Optional Holiday, and 8 yr vacation day, if applicable.
Bank can be contributed to 401k
After 7 years, all monies paid out to employees to maintain IRS tax deferred status of Bank.
Article 33 - Vacation
4 weeks after 11 yrs; 5 weeks after 18 yrs; 6 weeks after 25 yrs.
Extend vacation with holiday normally falling on scheduled work day results in 40 hour guarantee for extension week.
Improved vacation credit while on disability.
Vacation credit due to disability may rollover to next year.
Improved vacation selection.
Can chose to have vacation pay contributed to 401k.
Vacation buy-back program
Co agrees to buy back vacation each month after vacations are selected. $150 bonus for one, $350 for 2 or more weeks.

Article 34 - 401k Plan
UPS/Local 2727 401k plan.
Up to 3% Company match.
Upon completion of Plan, match will be retro to Jan 1, 2002.

Article 35 - Option Weeks
Increased OJI credit to 28 weeks, with rollover to next year.
Can contribute up to 2 weeks to 401k plan.
Pays out DATs, unless Banked Holidays are requested.
Option weeks will now be paid while on extended disability, on retirement, or if laid off and cannot exercise bump right.

Article 37 - Duration
Amendable date of July 31, 2005
 
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kjones514

Guest
You forgot Art 36, Wages, UPS only offered a 28% increase in wages, far below industry standards. It is unfortunate, but running an airline is very expensive, UPS should have "studied" the industry before they jumped in. Poor Jim Kelley bearly made 1.1 mil last year for all the "work" he provided, I only want a "fair days pair for a fair days work".
 
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gsx1990

Guest
Jim Kelly is the CEO. Are you? His salary is
peanuts compared to other CEOs. Why is it that
every freaking teamster thinks they deserve
what a CEO makes?

$80k is not a fair wage? Come on, lets get serious here!!!

And that $80k doesnt count overtime and all
the benefits you get. Keep believing that
teamsters BS! Go get em! Make yourselves the
first mechanics making $120k a year! Maybe then
you can afford to live.
 
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gsx1990

Guest
"only a 28% wage increase...."

my heart bleeds for you.....I can't believe
UPS would offend you like that....

can you say the word "greed"?
 
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proups

Guest
I am glad that tdu is not the typical UPS union member. Before start time, we talk about how our stocks are doing, how the 401k is doing (ouch!), and how sad it is that businesses are diverting volume (and we are combining routes) due to the threatening words of our union "leaders" about striking if necessary. We also talk about the union wanting to raise our dues to "build up the strike fund." WE DON'T WANT TO STRIKE!
 
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tieguy

Guest
Its important as volume drops that we drop Full-Time jobs accordingly. There are too many who think a strike or contract session will be painless.
 
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tieguy

Guest
Good Lord , they rejected that? What the hell do they want? Their own country club. They should be able to join any country club out there after this offer. Whats the matter no caviar available when you voted?
 
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tieguy

Guest
By the way I'm wondering if there is a charm school now for ups air mechanics. I can just picture you guys being taught to point your pinkies when clasping your wrenches.
 
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gsx1990

Guest
proups,
I surely hope the majority of the teamsters
are intelligent enough like you not to "cut off
the hand that feeds them". Hardworking UPS
workers deserve a very good salary and good
benefits. They don't deserve "EVERY GOLDEN EGG".
 
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upsadvisor

Guest
As an outsider I am somewhat jealous of what you all have built together over the last 100 years and the way you speak so proudly of your company. We could all learn a thing or two from all of you about loyalty and hard work.

Over the last few months I have been able to witness how little the outside world understands about UPS and its people. I hope that all the hard work of UPS both Union and Management will continue to make this company great.
UPS and its people in my opinion are representative of why America is what it is and that there is no substitue for hard work and heart.


John
 
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kjones514

Guest
If UPS does not want to provide an Industry Leading Contract for it employees they can "take a chance", but will they? The "airline" side is a small part of UPS, but it provides a large part of revenue to its shareholders. Should UPS provide a fair contract to the Aircraft Mechanics, just ask any pilot, or a customer that needs a shipment overnight.
 
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gsx1990

Guest
kjones,
Define your definition of "fair" for us please.
A 28% raise is not fair? And you never responded
about my comment about $80k not being a wage
that you can live on. Is it not? It seems to
me that people like you will not settle unless
you are the highest paid mechanics in the industry....PERIOD. You might call this fair,
I call it GREED. And other teamsters want to
go beyond that. They not only want to be the
highest paid in the industry (which they already
are), they want EVERY GOLDEN EGG. To me this is
pure GREED and BS. Demand too much! Cut off
your own necks!
 
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upsadvisor

Guest
Just an FYI.

Since March 5th and 6th when Fed Ex closed higher than UPS for the first time, the two have gone their sepererate ways.

UPS has traded higher than Fed Ex every day since and here is the point UPS still trades at a discount to Fed Ex.

Does any one feel that UPS should trade at a lower PE multiple than Fed Ex?

If so why ?
 
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oldupser

Guest
I just read on the Free Edgar site to the SEC that Mary Hennessy has resigned effective 4/15. Another sign of future things to come? This is just like Enron. I agree with those that feel shortchanged. I did not have it in writing for a money maker guarantee and I am sure not happy that it turned out this way. For those happy with a quarter maybe that is the problem. Someone once told me, "show me a loser and I will show you a loser."
 
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cheryl

Guest
My husband finally received his upsers.com info and we got a chance to look around the site. I think it will be a great resource for our community and encourage everyone to take a look. All those forms that used to be kind of a hassle to get (gift matching etc.) are on the site. There are a lot of resources that can be added there which will be a great benefit to all employees.

Check out their employee discount page. We used the direct link to Gateway's UPS discount program and ordered a new 700XL computer with a 15% discount for a savings of about $450...

Their employee discount info is so much better and more informative than the info here I'm going to pull the Brown Cafe discounts page and refer everyone to upsers.com for the discounts information.
 
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kjones514

Guest
50 bucks an hour for inspecting, troubleshoot, and repairing large commercial jets is not a lot of money to ask for. The contract had other many Articles that are not up to Industry Standard, not just low wages. I have worked on UPS owned jets since 1986, it is time to include us in on the money that these airliners have made for UPS. UPS is a poorly runned company, they make bad decisions at all levels of management, but thanks to the "core business of package delivery" we can support bad decisions with "on time" delivery to customers and stockholders.
 
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gsx1990

Guest
kjones,
I guess we agree to disagree, on more than one
thing. UPS is not poorly run. If it were, it
would not be in business. The greed of the
unions will be what brings down UPS if anything.
Your demands for pay are GREEDY, pure and simple.
I don't care tho, I can sell my stock any day.
Greedy people like you will be the end of well
paying jobs that UPS now provides. My heart
continues to bleed for you. I can only imagine
how hard it must be to live off of $80k a year.
 
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frank

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Aircraft Maintenance Technicians perform: inspection and troubleshooting of the aircraft including airframe structures, engines and aircraft systems; disassembly and removal of defective parts; assembly and installation of replacement parts; interpretation of technical manuals, drawings and blueprints; testing the aircraft systems; recording problems and action taken to rectify them and; maintaining an accurate statement of the maintenance history of the aircraft.
This maintenance trade possesses a great deal of the skill and knowledge requirements .

GSX1990- Do you even come close to doing tasks like this everyday? People dont realize that the aircraft mechanic has been :censored2:ed on for years. Without us ,UPS wouldnt even be able to expand into new ventures such as China. In my hub,80K a year and the supervisors are sittinfg on their ass making sure the boxes get shuffled in the righ trailer..wow..only at UPS
 
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