Mattmac0912
Banned
Yeah that’s why. Frick off
Biden signs executive order mandating vaccination.
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brownman2075
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I think we may have lost focus here. As UPS drivers work exclusively outdoors and alone except to clock in and if clocking in is a problem then we’ll gladly wait outside for our trucks and board to clock in. I doubt it would go that far, but I digress. Meanwhile, the OSHA ETS was put on stay in case no one knows about that.
brownman2075
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Even technically feeder loaders work outside since feeders are not part of the building.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
You're really stretching here.
The fine is 14,000 dollars per employee violation. You think ups is going to risk a violation by classifying drivers as outside employees? Come on man, you know they have duties inside too.
Trying to find loopholes is a lost cause.
It won't survive lawsuits. That's the path it needs to go down.
Swanson
Henry Swanson's my name, and excitement's my game.
Don't worry our woke Supreme court will overrule
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I will say that multiple justices have expressed disdain in recent rulings for the Chevron Deference Doctrine that allows for this kind of federal overreach.
But ya, I agree, my hopes aren't high for this court...
brownman2075
Well-Known Member
I’m not looking for loopholes, but think UPS in their alleged reported input had something to do with this; if…….IF……….that really happened.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I think what UPS got out of their meeting with the Democraps was the delay of implementation of the mandate until January.
It will probably be struck down by the courts by then. Just my opinion.
brownman2075
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I’m saying that because the reports are completely unverifiable. Was this ETS officially registered? Has anyone verified that?
brownman2075
Well-Known Member
He is just a POS antagonist.
Dumbo
Well-Known Member
If UPS package car drivers wouldn't be classified as outdoor employees I don't know who would be. Garbage men, utility workers, construction, etc all have inside office support people but are primarily a outdoor business. They would just need to mandate inside workers and excempt their outdoor workers.
Are you talking about the outdoor excemption? Yes it verified. I looked at the 490 page official order and searched outdoor and sure enough it's there. Outdoor employees are excempt.
Are you talking about the outdoor excemption? Yes it verified. I looked at the 490 page official order and searched outdoor and sure enough it's there. Outdoor employees are excempt.
Mattmac0912
Banned
I mean what’s the difference seriously this stuff is like some bizarre religion. They wanna lose all their hub workers yeah play the inside game
brownman2075
Well-Known Member
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brownman2075
Well-Known Member
I've seen the pre-registered version of the ETS, but has anyone seen the final registered version of the ETS?
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
It's all crap.
Nickelodeon literally has a BLM propaganda ad every commercial break. Had to block the channel.
These radical left wingers are playing the long game.
PT Car Washer
Banned
You watch Nickelodeon? Answers a lot of questions.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
I literally just said it's blocked in my house, so no.
It's pretty sad that you can't follow along with a simple statement like that. I guess that's why you've spent 45 years as a part time carwasher. Pathetic.
Well-Known Member
Back From Break
UPS drivers are not classified as outdoor workers.
You could argue that the time spent indoors is brief, but there is no guarantee that you can get in and out briefly at the customers premises every time. They can spend extended times in building delivering and picking up packages. They also report to an indoor building to start work and get their package cars. They return and do the same thing. This time is not brief. We cannot get out of our building within a half hour of starting.
And UPS will not classify employees individually depending on their job description or route.
Here is the classification for an outdoor employee per OSHA.
In order to qualify as work performed exclusively outdoors, the following criteria must be met:
- The employee must work outdoors on all days (i.e., an employee who works indoors on some days and outdoors on other days would not be exempt from the requirements of this ETS).
- The employee must not routinely occupy vehicles with other employees as part of work duties (i.e., do not drive to worksites together in a company vehicle).
- The employee works outdoors for the duration of every workday except for de minimis use of indoor spaces where other individuals may be present – such as a multi-stall bathroom or an administrative office – as long as the time spent indoors is brief, or occurs exclusively in the employee’s home (e.g., a lunch break at home).
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