Build That Wall!!

bbsam

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The fictional Trump warned the Texans that apocalyptic meteors would strike the town at midnight, but he could protect everyone. “I bring you a message,” he said. “A message few of you will be able to believe…but be not afraid my friends: I also bring you the means with which to save yourself.”
His solution was to build a wall made of magical metal that would repel the meteors and keep everyone safe. As the citizens started to believe Trump, he offered to give them walls for $50 each. However, Ranger Gilman wasn’t convinced. Pandemonium erupted in the town, but in the end Gilman arrests Trump for grand theft and fraud.


1950s Western Predicted a Border Wall From a Fictional Con Man Named Trump
More proof: truth is stranger than fiction.
 

DriveInDriveOut

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The fictional Trump warned the Texans that apocalyptic meteors would strike the town at midnight, but he could protect everyone. “I bring you a message,” he said. “A message few of you will be able to believe…but be not afraid my friends: I also bring you the means with which to save yourself.”
His solution was to build a wall made of magical metal that would repel the meteors and keep everyone safe. As the citizens started to believe Trump, he offered to give them walls for $50 each. However, Ranger Gilman wasn’t convinced. Pandemonium erupted in the town, but in the end Gilman arrests Trump for grand theft and fraud.


1950s Western Predicted a Border Wall From a Fictional Con Man Named Trump
And then there's this:

Lockwood published the first novel, Travels and adventures of Little Baron Trump and his wonderful dog Bulger, in 1889, and its sequel, Baron Trump's Marvelous Underground Journey, in 1893. The novels recount the adventures of the German boy Wilhelm Heinrich Sebastian Von Troomp, who goes by "Baron Trump", as he discovers weird underground civilizations, offends the natives, flees from his entanglements with local women, and repeats this pattern until arriving back home at Castle Trump.[1]

another book of Ingersoll's, 1900; or, The Last President, in which New York City is riven by protests following the shock victory of a populistcandidate in the 1896 presidential electionwho brings on the downfall of the American republic.[3][4]

Baron Trump novels - Wikipedia
 

Non sequitur

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Endless fun.
 

Non sequitur

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Ask your international sales rep at UPS, fedex or any other trans company about how safe conditions are south of the border.
It's the wild west where bribery is common. You have to pay to pass "go" on any public road. This kind of lawlessness and extortion is the invasion that will be stopped. Same thing with radical ______ . Got to know whose coming in or the usa will be putting up a no thank you sign.
 

bbsam

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What would you say to a conservative who says that 1 violent crime committed by an illegal immigrant who shouldn’t be in the Country anyway is 1 violent crime too many?
I would say that person is being needlessly impossible and letting “better”be the enemy of perfect.
 

It will be fine

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What would you say to a conservative who says that 1 violent crime committed by an illegal immigrant who shouldn’t be in the Country anyway is 1 violent crime too many?
We have a system of justice to prevent and punish crime. The immigration status of the perpetrators doesn’t make much difference to me. Who’s to say the outcomes if we had an easier entry policy so immigrants could find legit work. Who’s to say said fictional violent criminal wouldn’t be committing violent crimes in their home country. Are lives there less valuable than one here? Perhaps this fictional criminal wouldn’t be committing violent crimes here without the easy access to firearms here. There are many reasons for crime, crying about immigration status is a tactic meant to scare people into believing there’s a crisis when all data points otherwise.
 

newfie

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Immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than natural born Americans.

tsk tsk , lot of good information out there if you're willing to read more then your DNC talking points.

Immigrant Crime as an Underestimated Problem: Evidence and Practical Considerations
The Meta-Issue: The Veil of Secrecy
Immigration enthusiasts might be prone to use such research as evidence that widespread fear of immigrant crime is an irrational, if understandable, response to sensationalized anecdotes.14 But such a view may be hasty in its own right. Many immigrant crimes are not reported, and possibly in greater proportion than the crimes that the U.S.-born commit. Many victims of immigrant criminals fear reporting crimes to the police because their victimizers are of the same nationality, and thus are more likely to retaliate in ways that would dissuade the victim from calling police.

A Family Matter"
An especially ominous reason for underreporting is that what most Americans would call crime many immigrants consider to be tradition, or if a crime, a "family matter" not requiring outside interference. In this view, police are not supposed to supplant patriarchal authority in resolving disputes, however evident that the "conflict" in question is a case of prey needing protection from predator. Sometimes this can have tragic consequences. In Washington, D.C., for example, a Vietnamese family failed to report to authorities the repeated sexual molestation of their child by another adult member of their community. The family only complained after the predator murdered the child.


An Examination of U.S. Immigration Policy and Serious Crime
 

bbsam

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tsk tsk , lot of good information out there if you're willing to read more then your DNC talking points.

Immigrant Crime as an Underestimated Problem: Evidence and Practical Considerations
The Meta-Issue: The Veil of Secrecy
Immigration enthusiasts might be prone to use such research as evidence that widespread fear of immigrant crime is an irrational, if understandable, response to sensationalized anecdotes.14 But such a view may be hasty in its own right. Many immigrant crimes are not reported, and possibly in greater proportion than the crimes that the U.S.-born commit. Many victims of immigrant criminals fear reporting crimes to the police because their victimizers are of the same nationality, and thus are more likely to retaliate in ways that would dissuade the victim from calling police.

A Family Matter"
An especially ominous reason for underreporting is that what most Americans would call crime many immigrants consider to be tradition, or if a crime, a "family matter" not requiring outside interference. In this view, police are not supposed to supplant patriarchal authority in resolving disputes, however evident that the "conflict" in question is a case of prey needing protection from predator. Sometimes this can have tragic consequences. In Washington, D.C., for example, a Vietnamese family failed to report to authorities the repeated sexual molestation of their child by another adult member of their community. The family only complained after the predator murdered the child.


An Examination of U.S. Immigration Policy and Serious Crime

2001
 

Box Ox

What can be, unburdened by what has been.
tsk tsk , lot of good information out there if you're willing to read more then your DNC talking points.

Immigrant Crime as an Underestimated Problem: Evidence and Practical Considerations
The Meta-Issue: The Veil of Secrecy
Immigration enthusiasts might be prone to use such research as evidence that widespread fear of immigrant crime is an irrational, if understandable, response to sensationalized anecdotes.14 But such a view may be hasty in its own right. Many immigrant crimes are not reported, and possibly in greater proportion than the crimes that the U.S.-born commit. Many victims of immigrant criminals fear reporting crimes to the police because their victimizers are of the same nationality, and thus are more likely to retaliate in ways that would dissuade the victim from calling police.

A Family Matter"
An especially ominous reason for underreporting is that what most Americans would call crime many immigrants consider to be tradition, or if a crime, a "family matter" not requiring outside interference. In this view, police are not supposed to supplant patriarchal authority in resolving disputes, however evident that the "conflict" in question is a case of prey needing protection from predator. Sometimes this can have tragic consequences. In Washington, D.C., for example, a Vietnamese family failed to report to authorities the repeated sexual molestation of their child by another adult member of their community. The family only complained after the predator murdered the child.


An Examination of U.S. Immigration Policy and Serious Crime

Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) - Media Bias/Fact Check

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newfie

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I should also point out its what makes liberal logic so entertaining. one point you justify sanctuary cities on the premise that illegal aliens do not report crime for fear of discovery.
while at the same time you tout the concept that immigrants commit less crimes ignoring the same point you justify sanctuary cities with.
 

Box Ox

What can be, unburdened by what has been.
I should also point out its what makes liberal logic so entertaining. one point you justify sanctuary cities on the premise that illegal aliens do not report crime for fear of discovery.
while at the same time you tout the concept that immigrants commit less crimes ignoring the same point you justify sanctuary cities with.

You'd have a point if it were only illegal immigrants perpetrating crimes against other illegal immigrants.
 
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