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[El Correcto]

Well, the problem besides the “less than 1/2 of %1” of voter fraud is that there is a history of those in power attempting to suppress certain in order to stay in power. I believe there was a Pennsylvania republican official in 2015 who described exactly how to do that to help the orange man win.

There’s more types of voter fraud than just the estimated illegals voting. There’s felons, out of staters who moved, dead people, illegals and election officials who interpret the intent of certain ballots.

 

[moreluck]

There’s more types of voter fraud than just the estimated illegals voting. There’s felons, out of staters who moved, dead people, illegals and election officials who interpret the intent of certain ballots.

Why do all the dead people vote Democratic???

 

[It will be fine]

Looks true to me. Lefty sources are reporting the same. Newsweek ends its article on it by trying to downplay the potentially 58,000 non citizens who may have voted:

Texas finds 95,000 non-citizens registered to vote, encourages local election officials to check into voter fraud

“Texas has approximately 16 million registered voters, over 8.3 million voted in the Texas governor's race in 2018. Therefore, if all 58,000 cast a ballot in the 2018 election, it would account for 0.69% of voters. Abbott won the governor's seat by 13.3%.”

From the NYT:

Texas Secretary of State Questions Citizenship of 95,000 Registered Voters

“But Democrats and voting rights advocates were skeptical of the state’s claims. More than 8.3 million people voted in the Texas governor’s race last year, which means that even if all 58,000 people who voted were, in fact, found to be noncitizens and voted in 2018 — a claim that no state official has made — they would have amounted to only 0.69 percent of all votes that were cast.”

Ridiculous. Can we all agree that if true, this is absolutely unacceptable?

It says non-citizens not illegals. These are green card holders and legal permanent residents that registered, have state ID and voted. It’s an issue with Texas voter registration.

 

[newfie]

Looks true to me. Lefty sources are reporting the same. Newsweek ends its article on it by trying to downplay the potentially 58,000 non citizens who may have voted:

Texas finds 95,000 non-citizens registered to vote, encourages local election officials to check into voter fraud

“Texas has approximately 16 million registered voters, over 8.3 million voted in the Texas governor's race in 2018. Therefore, if all 58,000 cast a ballot in the 2018 election, it would account for 0.69% of voters. Abbott won the governor's seat by 13.3%.”

From the NYT:

Texas Secretary of State Questions Citizenship of 95,000 Registered Voters

“But Democrats and voting rights advocates were skeptical of the state’s claims. More than 8.3 million people voted in the Texas governor’s race last year, which means that even if all 58,000 people who voted were, in fact, found to be noncitizens and voted in 2018 — a claim that no state official has made — they would have amounted to only 0.69 percent of all votes that were cast.”

Ridiculous. Can we all agree that if true, this is absolutely unacceptable?

yep. what would be equally disturbing if this is true is the fact that Texas at least has some form of voter ID law in place. It would be interesting to see how it happened and where. did it happen more so in sympathetic political areas or was it a broad based failure of voter ID.

and then what implications does it have in non voter ID states.

 

[newfie]

Yep. Unacceptable. But the burden of the fix has to be on the state to fix the problem without putting unnecessary hardship on eligible voters. What’s unnecessary? I’m not sure. But this recent shutdown has shown just how widespread living “paycheck to paycheck” really is.

the illegals voted because the poll judges were laid off?

 

[newfie]

“I have no idea how to fix it and won’t blame the illegals. But the second they do anything to remedy it I’ll scream voter suppression and bash republicans as anti-democracy. Oh yeah while I’m here, orange man bad and capitalism has failed.”

thank you for adding some liberal logic to the debate

 

[newfie]

Well, the problem besides the “less than 1/2 of %1” of voter fraud is that there is a history of those in power attempting to suppress certain in order to stay in power. I believe there was a Pennsylvania republican official in 2015 who described exactly how to do that to help the orange man win.

seems like we should be able to match our vote to electronic registration. that would solve it all.

 

[newfie]

Why do all the dead people vote Democratic???

because they no longer care about the world

 

[vantexan]

It says non-citizens not illegals. These are green card holders and legal permanent residents that registered, have state ID and voted. It’s an issue with Texas voter registration.

If an illegal immigrant got phony papers that allowed him to get a driver's license then he could get registered to vote too. Texas now has a bigger minority population than white population and many Hispanic citizens have a heavy Spanish accent. Doubtful anyone with what appear to be valid documents would be questioned, especially as many working in government positions are Democrats.

 

[newfie]

It says non-citizens not illegals. These are green card holders and legal permanent residents that registered, have state ID and voted. It’s an issue with Texas voter registration.

if true then it would make it much more difficult for those card holders to become citizens. voting illegally can be a disqualifier to citizenship

I wouldn't be so dismissive of such a case. if some or a significant portion of this is true then what is happening in other states such as California where illegals have drivers licenses and no voter ID laws.

 

[It will be fine]

if true then it would make it much more difficult for those card holders to become citizens. voting illegally can be a disqualifier to citizenship

I wouldn't be so dismissive of such a case. if some or a significant portion of this is true then what is happening in other states such as California where illegals have drivers licenses and no voter ID laws.

The Texas SOS made the list out of people that received ID before they were citizens going back as far as 1996. He doesn’t know if they obtained citizenship before they voted. Voter ID laws wouldn’t prevent this. These people have legit ID, it’s sloppy maintenance of the voter registration rolls.

 

[Indecisi0n]

 

[newfie]

The Texas SOS made the list out of people that received ID before they were citizens going back as far as 1996. He doesn’t know if they obtained citizenship before they voted. Voter ID laws wouldn’t prevent this. These people have legit ID, it’s sloppy maintenance of the voter registration rolls.

you dont know that. let texas investigate and come up with the answer. stop spreading misinformation.

 

[It will be fine]

you dont know that. let texas investigate and come up with the answer. stop spreading misinformation.

Texas officials flag tens of thousands of voters for citizenship checks

It’s according to the Texas Tribune. What part do you think is misinformation?

 

[vantexan]

Texas officials flag tens of thousands of voters for citizenship checks

It’s according to the Texas Tribune. What part do you think is misinformation?

They're doing it now because of the latest info. But for many years Democrats, including some on this forum, have been saying that voter fraud is myth made up by Republicans. I believe you're one of them.

 

[It will be fine]

They're doing it now because of the latest info. But for many years Democrats, including some on this forum, have been saying that voter fraud is myth made up by Republicans. I believe you're one of them.

In person voter fraud doesn’t happen. It didn’t happen in this story either. These people had valid IDs and didn’t impersonate anyone. There’s still no evidence these people were non-citizens when they voted, just when they legally obtained their IDs.

 

[vantexan]

In person voter fraud doesn’t happen. It didn’t happen in this story either. These people had valid IDs and didn’t impersonate anyone. There’s still no evidence these people were non-citizens when they voted, just when they legally obtained their IDs.

Dude, they're not citizens. No legal ID will legally allow them to register to vote if it's known they are not citizens, whether they are here legally or not. So either they fraudulently registered, or government workers allowed them to register, which is also illegal. Not one of those non-citizen voters had a legal right to do so.

 

[Dirk Digler]

144% of people that live in LA county are registered voters. It doesn't sound possible does it? Well it's not possible it's voter fraud. And everyone knows California is so left leaning it's almost lying down. Voter fraud is rampant but everyone is looking under the wrong rock.

 

[newfie]

Texas officials flag tens of thousands of voters for citizenship checks

It’s according to the Texas Tribune. What part do you think is misinformation?

The Texas SOS made the list out of people that received ID before they were citizens going back as far as 1996. He doesn’t know if they obtained citizenship before they voted. Voter ID laws wouldn’t prevent this. These people have legit ID, it’s sloppy maintenance of the voter registration rolls.

just these parts.

 

[newfie]

In person voter fraud doesn’t happen. It didn’t happen in this story either. These people had valid IDs and didn’t impersonate anyone. There’s still no evidence these people were non-citizens when they voted, just when they legally obtained their IDs.

if non citizens voted then that is voter fraud. you cant spin that