climate catastrophe

[zubenelgenubi]

the earth is warming every year. its coming true. 1.3 degrees C. going to 2 by 2030.

They can only show the earth is being cooked by first cooking the books on their data.

 

[rickyb]

I always say, the way we tend to "solve" problems ends up making worse problems. CO2 is colorless, it absorbs energy from a certain wavelength of infrared, once it absorbs enough it begins re-emitting it. To be more technical: the infrared excites the valence shell (outer most) electrons to a higher energy level (increases their orbit from the nuclei of their respective atoms). As those electrons' orbits decay, they emit IR photons and the electrons drop back to their lowest energy orbit.

The particulate issue is an entirely different matter, which I'm not quite as well versed on, but I'll try my best to explain. The particles that might reflect the sun include molecules like nitrous oxide, and various sulphur compounds. These are mostly what make up smog. And you can actually see it in high enough concentrations. Though they can reflect the higher energy sunlight wavelengths, they are generally bad for people's health on the concentrations needed to do so. Water vapor, or clouds, do the same thing, but they also need some amount of particulate matter to coalesce around. So, too clean of air can reduce cloud formation, which can increase sunlight absorption, and exacerbate regional drought conditions.

CO2 is necessary for plant life, which we live in a somewhat sybiosis with. They take in the CO2, and repirate O2, and we do the opposite. Higher concentrations of CO2 are good for plants. There are various ways that we can continue using hydrocarbon fuels and keep CO2 concentrations stable, but it's not very clear that stabilizing CO2 is a good idea. And, the way we solve problems, we are more likely to pull too much co2 out of the atmosphere and cause a shortage that could lead to massive dying off of plant species.

I like Tony Heller, but there's an actual chemist on YouTube whose channel is called thunderfoot, or something. He is totally on board with manmade global warming, and his solution is to create a sodium based fuel that would increase relatively inert sodium molecules in the atmosphere. He has done break downs on how many billions of trees would have to be planted, every year, in order to offset CO2.

I don't think CO2 is really the problem many make it out to be, but if everyone is deadset on reducing it, I think we can properly balance co2 cycles with better soil and ocean stewardship. With most of the CO2 being absorbed by the oceans, plankton should be thriving, but we do tend to overfish, meaning the other nutrients plankton need to flourish aren't being provided in high enough concentrations. Some of these nutrients are making their way to the oceans by way of agricultural run off, but It's too concentrated in too few areas, which leads to harmful algae blooms. This is the reason the Dutch are trying to minimize nitrogen fertilizer. But that won't work, because they will starve people to death by doing that.

I could keep going, because this is a complex, and highly interconnected issue, but I'll leave it there for now.

alot of the heat is being absorbed by the oceans

were going to see greater and greater crop failures bc CO2 is warming the earth

 

[zubenelgenubi]

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Yep, cooked books. Sorry.

 

[rickyb]

They can only show the earth is being cooked by first cooking the books on their data.

BC has a town that was burnt to a crisp last year and is being burnt again this year

i doubt theres a precedent

 

[zubenelgenubi]

alot of the heat is being absorbed by the oceans

were going to see greater and greater crop failures bc CO2 is warming the earth

Nope, crops like warmth and CO2. They had to destroy most of the cherry harvest in Michigan due to it exploding two or three years ago. Crops are failing because our supply chains have been intentionally disrupted and fertilizer is being withheld. Ask anyone who operates a greenhouse what their plants like.

 

[rickyb]

You would have us in a constant state of disruption. Goods couldn't move, services couldn't happen, kids couldn't get educated.

yea there should be a lot of short term disruption to ensure long term prosperity which we currently dont have.

steve keen theorizes we have short term efficiency (which is debatable) but these systems are weak which we've just witnessed a breakdown during covid.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

BC has a town that was burnt to a crisp last year and is being burnt again this year

i doubt theres a precedent

To much reforestation. Trees require lots of water. Too many trees, not enough water, leads to tinderbox conditions. It helps to balance forests with healthy grasslands.

 

[rickyb]

Nope, crops like warmth and CO2. They had to destroy most of the cherry harvest in Michigan due to it exploding two or three years ago. Crops are failing because our supply chains have been intentionally disrupted and fertilizer is being withheld. Ask anyone who operates a greenhouse what their plants like.

why dont we ask some farmers in africa or india how things are going?

 

[rickyb]

To much reforestation. Trees require lots of water. Too many trees, not enough water, leads to tinderbox conditions. It helps to balance forests with healthy grasslands.

too much consumption

 

[rickyb]

And you know I agree with you on that

 

[zubenelgenubi]

why dont we ask some farmers in africa or india how things are going?

Get back to me with what you find.

 

[vantexan]

and yet he was worse than hillary or biden

i agree he was better on trade and probably war.

How was he worse?

 

[Non liberal]

and yet he was worse than hillary or biden

i agree he was better on trade and probably war.

He was better on everything. The only thing I really want him to do is to show the people who to vote for in the future. Non-career politicians

 

[rickyb]

How was he worse?

policies were worse

for example hes denied global warming even though his golf course in EU was worried about it.

 

[rickyb]

He was better on everything. The only thing I really want him to do is to show the people who to vote for in the future. Non-career politicians

he was a neo fascist. you wouldnt have gotten this anti immigrant anti muslim rhetoric from democrats although in reality they are very right wing.

 

[Non liberal]

he was a neo fascist. you wouldnt have gotten this anti immigrant anti muslim rhetoric from democrats although in reality they are very right wing.

Lol, trudeau is a communist dictator

 

[rickyb]

Lol, trudeau is a communist dictator

we dont have 6 weeks paid vacation, we dont even have 4.

we dont have good public transit.

we dont have affordable college

we support NATO aggression.

we probably have welfare for big oil

we dont have representative elections, we have first past the post

our hospitals are overwhelmed right now....but at least we have no tuition for nursing year 1 and govt even pays you as i am being paid for that

and we dont have affordable housing. rent is up 23% YOY in toronto...

 

[oldngray]

the meaning of life is to fight for truth, beauty, and i forget the 3rd thing.

if you just do your job, and vote every 2 years, youre under control i suspect

 

[Non liberal]

we dont have 6 weeks paid vacation, we dont even have 4.

we dont have good public transit.

we dont have affordable college

we support NATO aggression.

we probably have welfare for big oil

we dont have representative elections, we have first past the post

our hospitals are overwhelmed right now....but at least we have no tuition for nursing year 1 and govt even pays you as i am being paid for that

and we dont have affordable housing. rent is up 23% YOY in toronto...

And these are good things? Because to me, it’s not. It’s just a representation of your failed leadership.

 

[rickyb]

And these are good things? Because to me, it’s not. It’s just a representation of your failed leadership.

we dont lead the world in anti capitalist worker controlled jobs; italy has the most

this is a representation that he is not a communist as you say. housing has gotten more unaffordable since he came into power.

like the americans, trudeau does support many allied dictatorships around the world like egyptians and saudis.

he also supports capitalism which is a dictatorship where you follow orders from a boss 40 hours a week.