barnyard
KTM rider
My 2nd paragraph I added, that I would like to hear from any economist on the subject.
They will provide more insight than a labor lawyer or the company.
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My 2nd paragraph I added, that I would like to hear from any economist on the subject.
They will provide more insight than a labor lawyer or the company.
I've hated them for decades. Nothing new. I'm not coming down on their supporters. It's not my fault that TDU targets the weak. They focus their attention on the ill informed. Mask facts with a shroud of lies. I despise their organizations rhetoric and practices. Socialist, Marxists, Communist, Stalinism, they are cut from the same cloth. Do your research folks.
They bash hall? All of a sudden hall is an
? TDU people forget that he was the chief negotiator in 97 not Carey (the godsend). TDU people forget that last contract he negotiated a record 9 dollars and hour bump in wages, health and pension. My favorite thing about Carey? After he was elected, he turned his back on TDU. Love it! It's 3:17pm and TDU still sucks!!
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Every "good" fall in line Union member is at their core Socialist.
I find this a strange statement/observation coming from you.
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
Uh, because I was being sarcastic?
Dracula
Package Car is cake compared to this...
I've hated them for decades. Nothing new. I'm not coming down on their supporters. It's not my fault that TDU targets the weak. They focus their attention on the ill informed. Mask facts with a shroud of lies. I despise their organizations rhetoric and practices. Socialist, Marxists, Communist, Stalinism, they are cut from the same cloth. Do your research folks.
They bash hall? All of a sudden hall is an
Yep, we know. Everyone of your posts is about TDU.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
I've hated them for decades. Nothing new. I'm not coming down on their supporters. It's not my fault that TDU targets the weak. They focus their attention on the ill informed. Mask facts with a shroud of lies. I despise their organizations rhetoric and practices. Socialist, Marxists, Communist, Stalinism, they are cut from the same cloth. Do your research folks.
They bash hall? All of a sudden hall is an
LMFAO
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Catatonic
Nine Lives
Here's the Punch Line.
So much energy on this thread dealt with the fact that the conference call
was compromised by TDU or the BoogyMan, or whatever.
But if you go to the first post that started the thread you will see the simple question,
"Is any steward willing to share what was discussed?"
And if that happened to have been a Company man, all he had to do was sit back and take notes.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! So take that TDU. UPS didn't need you after all.
Though I still think the members do.
Keep up the good work.
So much energy on this thread dealt with the fact that the conference call
was compromised by TDU or the BoogyMan, or whatever.
But if you go to the first post that started the thread you will see the simple question,
"Is any steward willing to share what was discussed?"
And if that happened to have been a Company man, all he had to do was sit back and take notes.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha! So take that TDU. UPS didn't need you after all.
Though I still think the members do.
Keep up the good work.
TimeForChange
Well-Known Member
Here's TDU's response about TDU supposedly giving out top secret information about the phone number for UPS stewards to call:
March 24, 2013: hall, the Hoffa administration’s chief negotiator with UPS, made a big show of denouncing TDU on a March 23 conference call with officers and shop stewards. Why it is so important to attack TDU at contract time?
hall took several minutes out of a national conference call with 2,000 shop stewards to denounce TDU. He claimed that TDU had “endangered” UPS members by publicizing the conference call on our website and as a result he would not be able to discuss confidential “union strategy” on the call.
This attack is completely phony, but the timing of the attack—right before an early contract settlement is reached—is no coincidence.
First, the phony part. Obviously, TDU did not and would never disclose confidential union information to management. Never.
TDU publicized the conference call so that more Teamsters could get a contract update and share the information with their fellow members—something Hall asked them to do at the start of the call. TDU has done the same thing for Teamster UPS conference calls for years. No one from the IBT has ever made an issue about it.
Hall himself asked Local Unions to distribute the conference call codes to well over 4,000 stewards, and he reported that 2,000 were on the call. There is no such thing as a “secret” among thousands of people. The IBT knows that UPS management is going to be on the call. This is factored into hall’s talking points on every call.
No one seriously believes that Hall, who has kept the union’s bargaining proposals secret even from local officers, was going to discuss “union strategy” on a call with thousands of people.
So why the attack and why now?
A contract settlement is expected soon. When the contact comes out, Hall knows that TDU will be printing information and analysis of the agreement so members can cast an informed vote and decide whether the new language is adequate to protect Teamsters from the problems that have exploded under the concessionary agreement Hall negotiated last time, including: production harassment, excessive stop counts, 9.5 violations, invasive technology, “dishonesty”, terminations, full-time job elimination, part-time poverty and other problems.
Hall is counting on many local officers and business agents to sell whatever deal he negotiates—no questions asked. The point of Hall’s attack was to give them “the script” for attacking TDU, the only source in our union of independent information on the contract.
Hoffa administration attacks against TDU at contract time are nothing new. We won’t let politics get in the way of doing our job of informing and uniting Teamster members.
TDU members will continue to back the International Union when it stands up to the company. And we will continue to keep members informed, to mobilize members and to make UPS deliver a fair contract.
March 24, 2013: hall, the Hoffa administration’s chief negotiator with UPS, made a big show of denouncing TDU on a March 23 conference call with officers and shop stewards. Why it is so important to attack TDU at contract time?
hall took several minutes out of a national conference call with 2,000 shop stewards to denounce TDU. He claimed that TDU had “endangered” UPS members by publicizing the conference call on our website and as a result he would not be able to discuss confidential “union strategy” on the call.
This attack is completely phony, but the timing of the attack—right before an early contract settlement is reached—is no coincidence.
First, the phony part. Obviously, TDU did not and would never disclose confidential union information to management. Never.
TDU publicized the conference call so that more Teamsters could get a contract update and share the information with their fellow members—something Hall asked them to do at the start of the call. TDU has done the same thing for Teamster UPS conference calls for years. No one from the IBT has ever made an issue about it.
Hall himself asked Local Unions to distribute the conference call codes to well over 4,000 stewards, and he reported that 2,000 were on the call. There is no such thing as a “secret” among thousands of people. The IBT knows that UPS management is going to be on the call. This is factored into hall’s talking points on every call.
No one seriously believes that Hall, who has kept the union’s bargaining proposals secret even from local officers, was going to discuss “union strategy” on a call with thousands of people.
So why the attack and why now?
A contract settlement is expected soon. When the contact comes out, Hall knows that TDU will be printing information and analysis of the agreement so members can cast an informed vote and decide whether the new language is adequate to protect Teamsters from the problems that have exploded under the concessionary agreement Hall negotiated last time, including: production harassment, excessive stop counts, 9.5 violations, invasive technology, “dishonesty”, terminations, full-time job elimination, part-time poverty and other problems.
Hall is counting on many local officers and business agents to sell whatever deal he negotiates—no questions asked. The point of Hall’s attack was to give them “the script” for attacking TDU, the only source in our union of independent information on the contract.
Hoffa administration attacks against TDU at contract time are nothing new. We won’t let politics get in the way of doing our job of informing and uniting Teamster members.
TDU members will continue to back the International Union when it stands up to the company. And we will continue to keep members informed, to mobilize members and to make UPS deliver a fair contract.
QKRSTKR
Well-Known Member
Funny how we are on here talking about strike and now TDU says we're close to an agreement. I love it.
I will say this. I think any tentative agreement that comes our way for a vote will pass, no matter what TDU says about it. People don't want to strike. Will I? Absolutely! Do I want to? Hell no. I don't think UPS does either. I hope they continue negotiating until a deal is reached.
I will say this. I think any tentative agreement that comes our way for a vote will pass, no matter what TDU says about it. People don't want to strike. Will I? Absolutely! Do I want to? Hell no. I don't think UPS does either. I hope they continue negotiating until a deal is reached.
bellesmom
Well-Known Member
Those of us that are 22.3's in my building are in these positions for reasons such as age and not physically able to be in package. I don't know how long you have been a part-timer but I have 20 years seniority and have earned a 22.3 job. Yes, package needs help but they need to put up bid sheets for part-timers that want to become package drivers to fill the spaces which contractually they are supposed to do but somehow manage to keep TCD's doing full-time package for years. We are not all kids in our twenties wanting to be package drivers. I'm getting tired of being the "throw" away group for everyone else, we deserve as much representation as all groups at UPS. We pay our dues too.
thedownhillEXPRESS
Well-Known Member
What exactly is a 22.3 job?
I'm an Express guy so I apologize but I can't find the answer and want to understand the situation.
I'm an Express guy so I apologize but I can't find the answer and want to understand the situation.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Not knowing what you are talking about has never been an issue before ... why now?
its a class of job Article 22.3 in the contract.Fulltime jobs not a regular route. Usually half a shift preloading Then you run some air, then you cleanup all the garbage that nobody else had room for
You are on a roll today Hoak!Not knowing what you are talking about has never been an issue before ... why now?
thedownhillEXPRESS
Well-Known Member
You forgot the biggest thing they get paid less then regular FT drivers around $23 maybe a little more.
Some are just FT air drivers that only deliver air. If an Air Driver delivers or pickups a ground package they get FT driver pay for that day. In two building in my area the 22.3 Air driver also make a run to the the Airport in the morning. In the building I started in they also don't have to take there lunch so they only work 8 hrs punch in to punch out most days.
anonymous4
Well-Known Member
Eliminate 22.3 and fill the void with what.. part-time? Not everyone wants to drive or can drive. Wasn't the idea more full time jobs? I am in a large hub, there are relatively few who want to drive. A good portion are waiting an obscene 15 years for combo. The efficiency pinch certainly has created a bad situation for those of us looking to enter the FT workforce.
It appears as if the company has created a situation where contract negotiations are overly focused on healthcare issues. I personally feel if you are looking at making a career at UPS and still have a ways to wait for full time work, if the union allows any concessions it might be time to bail. Whatever the union is for us appears to not be good enough. Concessions to such a profitable company at this moment in time is no bueno. More to follow. Sad state of affairs...
It appears as if the company has created a situation where contract negotiations are overly focused on healthcare issues. I personally feel if you are looking at making a career at UPS and still have a ways to wait for full time work, if the union allows any concessions it might be time to bail. Whatever the union is for us appears to not be good enough. Concessions to such a profitable company at this moment in time is no bueno. More to follow. Sad state of affairs...
kingOFchester
Well-Known Member
Where do you look when you are watching a magician? The hand making all the movements? Or perhaps that is a distraction from what the sly back hand is doing. Just a random thought. Couldn't imagine what that thought has to do with the ongoing negotiations.
