Wasn't CNN. And supposedly it wasn't the virus itself that killed so many but the resultant bacterial infections from it lowering immunity. They didn't even have penicillin yet to fight it. So we're fortunate to have everything we do have. One of the biggest differences is the 1918 Spanish flu killed a lot more younger people. Covid for whatever reason doesn't.
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But we have our own issues today. Cancer and diabetes are much worse today than in 1918. They had serious problems with tuberculosis and polio.
Old Man Jingles
Rat out of a cage
There are a lot of assumptions made in that statement.
Look at death records and see how many people died of Bright's Disease or Consumption.
People died younger back then and all these people with diabetes and cancer issues at age 65 or older were long dead during this period.
Stump your toe and die of gangrene ... it was tough back then.
Yet people still lived to ripe old ages. It was people contracting disease early on that brought lifespan averages down. And yes, cancer and diabetes were much lower back then although lung cancer probably wasn't. A lot more smokers back then.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
CNN was the only source I found that listed 1918-1920. Anyway, covid doesn't kill young people because it's not that lethal. I'd speculate that it's likely that it has killed as many people as it has because we have gotten pretty good at keeping vulnerabe people alive, and intentionally supressing pepople's immune systems with drugs designed to do just that to treat things like arthritis and psoriasis.
MAKAVELI
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Fake news.
MAKAVELI
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34,000 died from the flu last year vs 252,000 and counting for covid-19. Don't quit your day job bro. Lol
It was Wikipedia.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Fake news
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Oh, the place CNN gets its info.
Yes, I tend to look at established websites instead of just taking the word of strangers on the internet.
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
Orly?
With ventilators running out, doctors say the machines are overused for Covid-19
Critical care physicians are questioning the wide use of ventilators for #Covid19, saying that a large number of patients could instead be treated with less intensive respiratory support.
www.statnews.com
"But one of the most severe consequences of Covid-19 suggests another reason the ventilators aren’t more beneficial. In acute respiratory distress syndrome, which results from immune cells ravaging the lungs and kills many Covid-19 patients, the air sacs of the lungs become filled with a gummy yellow fluid. “That limits oxygen transfer from the lungs to the blood even when a machine pumps in oxygen,” Gillick said.
As patients go downhill, protocols developed for other respiratory conditions call for increasing the force with which a ventilator delivers oxygen, the amount of oxygen, or the rate of delivery, she explained. But if oxygen can’t cross into the blood from the lungs in the first place, those measures, especially greater force, may prove harmful. High levels of oxygen impair the lung’s air sacs, while high pressure to force in more oxygen damages the lungs."
"Because U.S. data on treating Covid-19 patients are nearly nonexistent, health care workers are flying blind when it comes to caring for such confounding patients. But anecdotally, Weingart said, 'we’ve had a number of people who improved and got off CPAP or high flow [nasal cannulas] who would have been tubed 100 out of 100 times in the past.' What he calls 'this knee-jerk response' of putting people on ventilators if their blood oxygen levels remain low with noninvasive devices 'is really bad. … I think these patients do much, much worse on the ventilator.'”
'Almost A Death Sentence': How Wisconsin Doctors, Peers Are Rethinking Ventilators For Coronavirus
COVID-19 patients experience many symptoms: Fever, chills, muscle pain, loss of taste or smell, sore throat, cough. But one of the biggest concerns for Dr. Jeff Pothof, chief quality officer […]
www.wpr.org
"Gattinoni wrote that about 20 percent to 30 percent of the patients examined had severe symptoms, with stiff and heavy lungs that should be treated with ventilators under ARDS protocols to alleviate dangerous fluid buildup. But more than half of the patients whose records Gattinoni examined showed less severe symptoms, with thin, elastic lungs that did not fit the ARDS profile. Treating those symptoms with a ventilator could prove deadly, Gattinoni said in an interview.
Mechanical ventilators are highly invasive. Using them involves inserting a tube through a patient’s mouth — a procedure called "intubation" — and forcing air into the lungs. The traditional ARDS ventilator methods could apply too much high pressure to the lungs, potentially causing serious damage'
"And this is what’s happened, I’m afraid, in New York,' Gattinoni said."
"A total of 1,151 patients required mechanical ventilators. Of the 320 for whom final outcomes are known (either death or discharge), 88 percent died. That compares with about 80 percent of patients who died on ventilators before the pandemic, according to previous studies — and with the death rate of about 50 percent that some critical-care doctors had optimistically hoped for when the first cases were diagnosed."
Local doctors using ventilators as last resort
"Cervantes believes ventilators are exacerbating the problems for COVID-19 patients and making it harder for them to recover, even killing them. Intubated patients are often in the hospital for much longer, he said, and the longer they’re in the less likely they are to leave."
And @Old Man Jingles remember when I was talking about potentially repurposing cpap and bipap machines. Apparently I was on the right track, and they wouldn't have needed to be altered.
"Researchers and clinicians on the front lines are trying. In a small study last week in Annals of Intensive Care, physicians who treated Covid-19 patients at two hospitals in China found that the majority of patients needed no more than a nasal cannula. Among the 41% who needed more intense breathing support, none was put on a ventilator right away. Instead, they were given noninvasive devices such as BiPAP; their blood oxygen levels 'significantly improved' after an hour or two."
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
You know what Wikipedia is, and how the information is curated there, right? I already told you, CDC, Stanford and Time magazine all say 1918 to 1919. Don't take my word for it.
NAHimGOOD
Nothing to see here.... Move along.
‘The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COVID because it’s not real.’
www.marketwatch.com
South Dakota emergency-room nurse says some patients insist COVID-19 isn’t real even as they’re dying from it
A South Dakota nurse took to Twitter on Sunday to highlight a tragic feature of the coronavirus pandemic, patients who rail against health-care workers...
www.marketwatch.com
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Oh is this like Kamala and the Democrat conspiracy theory that the vaccine is unsafe because orange man bad? Mkay then.‘The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm. They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COVID because it’s not real.’
South Dakota emergency-room nurse says some patients insist COVID-19 isn’t real even as they’re dying from it
A South Dakota nurse took to Twitter on Sunday to highlight a tragic feature of the coronavirus pandemic, patients who rail against health-care workers...
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Where did I talk about the flu? Or you’re just here to spew more nonsense?
zubenelgenubi
I'm a star
I guarantee you we would find out how afraid people really are of covid if they start trying to force euthanizing dogs as a preventive measure like they did with minks. Or grocery delivery workers... though I suspect there would be less outrage over the latter.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
But it would be like the pants being fishnet.
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