oldngray
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Agreed. Even if you have a safety committee that does try to address real issues they are powerless. UPS will reject any changes that might cost any money to fix to increase safety. Its all about PR and OSHA compliance.
Driver Doing On Road Observations
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Agreed. Even if you have a safety committee that does try to address real issues they are powerless. UPS will reject any changes that might cost any money to fix to increase safety. Its all about PR and OSHA compliance.
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I was told that exact same story. Our Safety Programs/Committees were set up to show that deterrents were in place.
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Over the last several years I've taken the time to offer safety "corrections" to younger drivers when I've seen them doing the same crazy things many of us have done and all I got back was an attitude. Experience means nothing to most of these Rambos so I just let the sups deal with it and let nature take it's course.
At peak last year a new hire was unloading pkgs out of cars during the local sort and he was not using "the methods". (You can imagine what I'm saying.) The center manager and a ft sup was standing watching this go on and after I asked him to use the correct methods his attitude got cocky. Neither the center manager nor the FT sup would correct him so I learned to just walk on by.
Everyone is responsible for their own safety and work methods because they've been trained. It's not my problem or responsibility to correct hourlies and if the management isn't going to do it I sure as heck am not getting involved either as long as their unsafe work methods aren't putting me at risk.
I don't sign their checks and I'm not going to change their diapers.
At peak last year a new hire was unloading pkgs out of cars during the local sort and he was not using "the methods". (You can imagine what I'm saying.) The center manager and a ft sup was standing watching this go on and after I asked him to use the correct methods his attitude got cocky. Neither the center manager nor the FT sup would correct him so I learned to just walk on by.
Everyone is responsible for their own safety and work methods because they've been trained. It's not my problem or responsibility to correct hourlies and if the management isn't going to do it I sure as heck am not getting involved either as long as their unsafe work methods aren't putting me at risk.
I don't sign their checks and I'm not going to change their diapers.
BigUnionGuy
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An OMS is not a management person.
They are nothing more.... than a secretary.
Thats good advice.
Better yet.... file charges with your Local.
Watch what happens then.
-Bug-
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O(office) M(management) S(supervisor). You're sure about that one bug?
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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OMS is a management position.
Cementups
Box Monkey
When you're driving a manual the ONLY time your hands should be off the wheel is when you are shifting gears. At least that's what they tell us.
In our new National Master agreement, ALL PHYSICAL OBSERVATIONS DONE OFF PROPERTY MUST CEASE.
Page 9, article 18 NMA
"
Bargaining unit members may not perform Safety Committee
observations of fellow bargaining unit members that can be
interpreted as being a management role. Safety Committee
observations shall only be performed to further the purposes of
that Committee as defined in this section and to promote a
safer work environment. Activities will be reviewed with the
Local Union. Under no circumstances can the results of a
Safety Committee observation be used in any level of discipline,
nor reference any individual bargaining unit member.""
ANY observation done off property is considered and interpreted as a MANAGEMENT ROLE and cannot be done.
If you see this action, you must report it to the local union and file a grievance with your center manager.
You must bring this up to the committees in your centers and point out the new language contained in the NMA 2013/2018
Anything off property is managements job, not the bargaining members. There are no excuses or exemptions.
TOS.
Page 9, article 18 NMA
"
Bargaining unit members may not perform Safety Committee
observations of fellow bargaining unit members that can be
interpreted as being a management role. Safety Committee
observations shall only be performed to further the purposes of
that Committee as defined in this section and to promote a
safer work environment. Activities will be reviewed with the
Local Union. Under no circumstances can the results of a
Safety Committee observation be used in any level of discipline,
nor reference any individual bargaining unit member.""
ANY observation done off property is considered and interpreted as a MANAGEMENT ROLE and cannot be done.
If you see this action, you must report it to the local union and file a grievance with your center manager.
You must bring this up to the committees in your centers and point out the new language contained in the NMA 2013/2018
Anything off property is managements job, not the bargaining members. There are no excuses or exemptions.
TOS.
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Yep.
They are secretaries.
Ask your Local BA.
Call it what you will.
As defined by the NLRA....
They are still secretaries.
File a grievance.
And.... see if they show up.... Or, are involved with it.
The Bug.... would not BS you on this.
They are only "management".... if you let them.
-Bug-
There is a fourth type of driver that does Intersection and On-Area Observations, an injured driver put on light duty and forced to "join" the Safety Committee to continue receiving a paycheck. I have been doing this the last two weeks, as I posted in another thread, I had hernia surgery today.
The intersection audits consist of writing car numbers, watching driver following distance, if they look left-right-left, count 1-2-3 at startup, leaving one car length, and in-cab distractions like cell phone use. I stood out in the open in plain sight and did mine. I gigged a supervisor who was driving a P-700 while training a new driver the other day who pulled out of the building with a rear door swinging wide open.
The On Area consists of blowing the horn to prevent dog bites, safely lifting and handling packages, safe driving skills like following distance, coming to complete stops, using 4-way flashers, making eye contact with pedestrians and other drivers at intersections, and using the horn at backs. I have to call the driver to find out where he is and drive a package car to the area to follow or ride around with him for 10-15 stops, there is nothing sneaky about it. They all score high since they know they are being watched. These audits are really pointless in my opinion, I just earned my full pay instead of going on workman's comp. $340 a day verses $105 a day workman's comp pay in my state is a no brainer. Putting the driver's name on the audit sheet is OPTIONAL.
Both of these audits are then entered into a Liberty Mutual website WITHOUT THE DRIVER'S NAME, they are just looking for numbers.
The intersection audits consist of writing car numbers, watching driver following distance, if they look left-right-left, count 1-2-3 at startup, leaving one car length, and in-cab distractions like cell phone use. I stood out in the open in plain sight and did mine. I gigged a supervisor who was driving a P-700 while training a new driver the other day who pulled out of the building with a rear door swinging wide open.
The On Area consists of blowing the horn to prevent dog bites, safely lifting and handling packages, safe driving skills like following distance, coming to complete stops, using 4-way flashers, making eye contact with pedestrians and other drivers at intersections, and using the horn at backs. I have to call the driver to find out where he is and drive a package car to the area to follow or ride around with him for 10-15 stops, there is nothing sneaky about it. They all score high since they know they are being watched. These audits are really pointless in my opinion, I just earned my full pay instead of going on workman's comp. $340 a day verses $105 a day workman's comp pay in my state is a no brainer. Putting the driver's name on the audit sheet is OPTIONAL.
Both of these audits are then entered into a Liberty Mutual website WITHOUT THE DRIVER'S NAME, they are just looking for numbers.
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bleedinbrown58
That’s Craptacular
You can't wave at a cute chick? Warning letter! lol
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I'll ask. But their statements (notarized) have always been used against employees in hearings and if not notarized they're brought into the hearing to testify.
stepitup
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Thank you all for your discussion....we are trying to be proactive with our grievances but this driver uses the "harassment" card any chance she can. She keeps a journal of who said what to her if she feels offended. One driver has been accused verbally with no retribution but two other drivers have been brought up on formal charges. Currently our steward is her latest victim and fellows are reluctant to get more involved. It's ugly right now. Can a grievance with multiple signatures be submitted against her on the grounds of creating a hostile work environment?
BigUnionGuy
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No. Other non-17i issues.
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Can't file against her but against management for allowing/harboring a hostile work environment.
Notarize all signatures and testimonies.
BigUnionGuy
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soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Easiest way to deal with this is to deliver the bad areas first while it is still daylight. If it means air gets delivered late, record it "X" for other. If it means businesses getting delivered after closing time, record as "missed" and bring 'em back. Repeat as necessary. Safety first.
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