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klein
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They don't have million population cities, like Calgary or Edmonton (located above the State of Montana).
Or as many medical facilties and medical employees as we have.
Nor the medical research centers we have here.
moreluck
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I've dealt with Western Doctors and some of the best come to where it's 'not so crazy' city-wise. There are wonderful surgeons who live in places like Jackson Wyoming, but work in smaller hospitals like in Idaho Falls, Idaho. They do this by choice. Sometimes the big cities are 'zoos'.
Klein, you don't know !!! You don't know everything about everything!! You need a TV talk show....you're more like Tyra Banks than you know!
Klein, you don't know !!! You don't know everything about everything!! You need a TV talk show....you're more like Tyra Banks than you know!
diesel96
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You know Tie, your not so far off, except one thing stopping me from your narrative description before retiring in 10 years from our corperate mandated dress and appearance code. Apparently, big busuness has it all figured out on what's appropriate to look like except when it comes to race, religion and the Whiteboard guy with the "man wig" down to his shoulders.
Anyway, I know one thing for sure, you will not find me sitting in a Lazy-Boy with a buzz cut, ordering my submissive wife to get me a beer, using my Bible as a coaster, watching Fox News while cleaning my gun, torturing my son with fear,myths and mis-information, and telling my lesbian daughter to get lost.....So maybe, many Americans should scale back on the alcohol, pills and tea-bags, and subscribe to some medical marijuana so we won't vent so much as we get older....See ya, while I crawl back in my hole. At least there's not a Capital "A" in front of my hole....:-}
klein
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I do know, my mother was transported to the city for her hip surgery, (3 hr drive), so was my younger brother for back surgery.
They only live in a town of 2400 citizens... do have a town hospital... but, don't think it can handle major surgeries.
So, you got me there. I didn't know every little town in the US, can perform every surgery, and is fully equipt with catscans, MRI's, Chemo therapy, etc.
Good for you !
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
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Klein, the city I live in has between 20-25K residents (the higher when college is in session) and our local can handle most medical issues but the more severe are transported either to Burlington (VT) or to Albany (NY). In turn, we get cases from hospitals in the smaller towns in the area. Medicaid, Medicare and private insurance reimbursements/payments dictate the size and scope of the operations of the local hospitals.
1989
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Where do you get your facts? Vancouver to Seattle is more like 150 miles and over a 3 hour drive.
tieguy
Banned
See thats it klein. you keep giving us polls and studies that don't depict canadians coming to the US for healthcare
shame we can't take all those polls and feed all those extra canadian visitors with them.
tieguy
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tieguy
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its an honest mistake. bet he knows how far it is from the bar to the nearest ups building.
klein
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OK,, I'll make this example, to try to explain national helathcare:
Now, lets say, education was only private and per profit.
Everyone pays a certain amount of money per month for thier child (children), to the private school board. (in healtcare = insurance)
Those that can't afford it, the government pays for it ( ER's visits for the non insured).
The school board boss becomes the CEO.
The privat school board signs a contract with a school book publisher. (healthcare = pharma industry).
In which the publisher earns mega bucks, because they over charge, knowing schoolboard (insurance) ,doesn't mind - they can simply raise rates.
Principles from every school become Center Managers.
Teachers are paid by every class they teach, and more for the difficulty of those classes (math pays more then a gym lesson or grade 9 more then grade 8). (= doctors).
Every class a teacher teaches, must be billed and forwarded to Schoolboard (insurance).
Every Class a student attends, will be billed and sent to Student or parents (as you get medical bills now sent home).
Each school will set up a new bldg next to it, for all that admistrative work (billing).
All admistrative costs will aslo be billed to Schoolboard (insurance).
Schoolboard (insurance) needs to raise rates, to keep up.
End of school year CEO gets millions in bonuses.
And the principles hundreds of thousands.
The book publisher also hands out millions in bonuses.
However, rates for students keeps increasing.
Government goes into more debt, by paying Schoolboard, more and more money per year, at an inflation rate of over 10%.
Government wants change... and make it non per profit, and cheaper.
But, people are scared, thier children won't be able to go to school anymore, if government has it thier way.
So, some start comparing it with Canada, and find out we have a few illiterate people living here. (far less then the USA), but it's thier fear, thats what will happen to them.
So, government continues to pay, double as any other country on earth, and fox claims they have the best education on earth, however it's just a bold lie, as Education Systems around the world are compared and the USA is in 37th spot, far behind from any industrial nation.
But, fox and Teaparty claims, we have exchange students here. that tells you alone we are the best in the world !
However, they don't admit, more percentage of americans are outside thier country getting an education, then any other population worldwide.
Because by now, Education (healthcare), has gotten soo expensive, they can no longer afford it at home.
So, by all means, attack government Education next... maybe you'll get your wish, and make it private ?!!!!!
Now, lets say, education was only private and per profit.
Everyone pays a certain amount of money per month for thier child (children), to the private school board. (in healtcare = insurance)
Those that can't afford it, the government pays for it ( ER's visits for the non insured).
The school board boss becomes the CEO.
The privat school board signs a contract with a school book publisher. (healthcare = pharma industry).
In which the publisher earns mega bucks, because they over charge, knowing schoolboard (insurance) ,doesn't mind - they can simply raise rates.
Principles from every school become Center Managers.
Teachers are paid by every class they teach, and more for the difficulty of those classes (math pays more then a gym lesson or grade 9 more then grade 8). (= doctors).
Every class a teacher teaches, must be billed and forwarded to Schoolboard (insurance).
Every Class a student attends, will be billed and sent to Student or parents (as you get medical bills now sent home).
Each school will set up a new bldg next to it, for all that admistrative work (billing).
All admistrative costs will aslo be billed to Schoolboard (insurance).
Schoolboard (insurance) needs to raise rates, to keep up.
End of school year CEO gets millions in bonuses.
And the principles hundreds of thousands.
The book publisher also hands out millions in bonuses.
However, rates for students keeps increasing.
Government goes into more debt, by paying Schoolboard, more and more money per year, at an inflation rate of over 10%.
Government wants change... and make it non per profit, and cheaper.
But, people are scared, thier children won't be able to go to school anymore, if government has it thier way.
So, some start comparing it with Canada, and find out we have a few illiterate people living here. (far less then the USA), but it's thier fear, thats what will happen to them.
So, government continues to pay, double as any other country on earth, and fox claims they have the best education on earth, however it's just a bold lie, as Education Systems around the world are compared and the USA is in 37th spot, far behind from any industrial nation.
But, fox and Teaparty claims, we have exchange students here. that tells you alone we are the best in the world !
However, they don't admit, more percentage of americans are outside thier country getting an education, then any other population worldwide.
Because by now, Education (healthcare), has gotten soo expensive, they can no longer afford it at home.
So, by all means, attack government Education next... maybe you'll get your wish, and make it private ?!!!!!
klein
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Gee. being picky today ? Greater Vancouver boarders right on the US border (look up Surrey, BC), and yes, it's part of Greater Vancouver.
Kinda like saying your going to Los Angelas to Disneyland. There is no Disneyland in LA !!!
It's in Anaheim.
New Sen. Brown bashes Obama's `bitter' health push!
"An entire year has gone to waste," Brown said in the weekly GOP radio and Internet address. "Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, and many more jobs are in danger. Even now, the president still hasn't gotten the message.
"Somehow, the greater the public opposition to the health care bill, the more determined they seem to force it on us anyway."
Now we know what kind of change Obama was referring to....It's the change that he wants!
"An entire year has gone to waste," Brown said in the weekly GOP radio and Internet address. "Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, and many more jobs are in danger. Even now, the president still hasn't gotten the message.
"Somehow, the greater the public opposition to the health care bill, the more determined they seem to force it on us anyway."
Now we know what kind of change Obama was referring to....It's the change that he wants!
av8torntn
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Big problem with your argument here. I'm not sure where to start but I think you have a lack of knowledge of the basic facts. Here is something you may want to consider. Public schools cost 93% more per pupil than private schools. Wow hard to believe you are crying about the cost of private schooling after that.
So I will use your argument against you. We should have a free market school system as well as a free market health care system. It would be cheaper and more efficient. People from all over the world come to our private schools just like people from all over the world seek our medical care.
If a school (health care provider) were allowed to operate outside government interference they would have to provide quality education(health care) at a fair price or they would be forced out of business by a lack of consumers. This is a basic principal of a free market system. If you charge to much for your education(health care) another provider will enter the market which will either force you to lower prices or offer better goods or services. This is a positive thing on two fronts. The first is parents(patients) will be offered better educational(health care) opportunities. The second is that schools(health care providers) will have to operate efficiently to stay in business.
In your world the government just promotes substandard education and health care and props up failing business models with higher taxes and keeps innovation out of the marketplace with increased regulation.
I will say if our leaders wanted better health care at a lower price and that goes for education as well they would get completely out of the way.
Read this
Lue C Fur
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New Sen. Brown bashes Obama's `bitter' health push!
"An entire year has gone to waste," Brown said in the weekly GOP radio and Internet address. "Millions of Americans have lost their jobs, and many more jobs are in danger. Even now, the president still hasn't gotten the message.
"Somehow, the greater the public opposition to the health care bill, the more determined they seem to force it on us anyway."
Now we know what kind of change Obama was referring to....It's the change that he wants!
Obama is for total Govt control...AKA socialism.
klein
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Yes, AV8. thats option number 2. I would like to see how that would work out, myself.
Scrap medicare, and aid. No more free emergency visits to hospitals. No more building hospitals, period.
Ambulance and EMS services also only for the insured. As well as those medical helicopter transports.
Anyone, that doesn't have insurance is left to die, period.
Same as anyone retired , that can't afford private insurance, too.
No more governmnet funds for research either.
Everything must be funded , built, and operated by the insurance companies.
Rates would tripple, but thats fine. In return the goverment can finally balance thier budget, and maybe even hand out tax cuts ?
Wouldn't be sure if UPS would be willing to pay those extra costs.
And if companies did in the US, I sure couldn't see them exporting anything, or even selling anything, because of the extra labor costs.
Why do you think DHL left the US ? But still operates fully around the world, even to your neighbors south and north (mexico and Canada ) ?
Personally, I think that extra $1000 to $1500 monthly healthcare bennies, made it to unacttrative for them to operate there.
I really believe that played a major role.
And more and more companies will follow suit, unless healthcare costs come down.
I really think, Obama will create more jobs, if the healthcare burden of costs gets reduced, for companies to compete globally, inside the USA.
But, again it's only my opinion.
If the healthcare bill doesn't past, and nothing is done...the future will tell us, if companies decided to move north (Canada), because of less costs.
Some of our politicians here, are counting on it. (thats why we're introducing the lowest corperate taxes starting 2012 from all G7 countries).
Only time will tell, what was right.
But, we all know, the current US healthcare system has no future. It won't survive, anyway you wanna turn things.
Scrap medicare, and aid. No more free emergency visits to hospitals. No more building hospitals, period.
Ambulance and EMS services also only for the insured. As well as those medical helicopter transports.
Anyone, that doesn't have insurance is left to die, period.
Same as anyone retired , that can't afford private insurance, too.
No more governmnet funds for research either.
Everything must be funded , built, and operated by the insurance companies.
Rates would tripple, but thats fine. In return the goverment can finally balance thier budget, and maybe even hand out tax cuts ?
Wouldn't be sure if UPS would be willing to pay those extra costs.
And if companies did in the US, I sure couldn't see them exporting anything, or even selling anything, because of the extra labor costs.
Why do you think DHL left the US ? But still operates fully around the world, even to your neighbors south and north (mexico and Canada ) ?
Personally, I think that extra $1000 to $1500 monthly healthcare bennies, made it to unacttrative for them to operate there.
I really believe that played a major role.
And more and more companies will follow suit, unless healthcare costs come down.
I really think, Obama will create more jobs, if the healthcare burden of costs gets reduced, for companies to compete globally, inside the USA.
But, again it's only my opinion.
If the healthcare bill doesn't past, and nothing is done...the future will tell us, if companies decided to move north (Canada), because of less costs.
Some of our politicians here, are counting on it. (thats why we're introducing the lowest corperate taxes starting 2012 from all G7 countries).
Only time will tell, what was right.
But, we all know, the current US healthcare system has no future. It won't survive, anyway you wanna turn things.
Lue C Fur
Evil member
I think that all the socialist left wingers who love big goverment to take care of them should move to Canada and hang out with Klein...and all the hardworking people who want limited goverment, less taxes, and great healthcare should come to America. Also, all who go to Canada can even take Obama as a parting gift.
wkmac
Well-Known Member
What were the Republicans and George Bush then?
But I guess selective memory works!
As to alternatives from both the Statist republican and Statist democrat ventures which are nothing more than 2 peas in the same pod and will make the problem worse over time, mutualist Kevin Carson offers some interesting observations first hand and then a suggestion of the way forward using a localist and non-state approach going forward.
I expect the typical howling dogs of both political sides to come forth because it departs the typical statist matrix championed by both but then I love making em' howl so there you go!
