If you are thinking about voting NO…

[Thebrownblob]

Denis was the right guy for the job??? Would have rather had Kenny hall…at least he had experience with the company. Wasn’t Denis from the car haul division???

Fred was from Carhaul

 

[542thruNthru]

Were they able to keep out the sitting arbitrator??

Don't know. I know we got one though.

 

[Trucker Clock]

I laugh and scoff, when people blame Denis T for the last contract.

You have to find a boogeyman.... somewhere ?

I don't blame him per se. It was his idea for the 22.4. And yes, if they were implemented as he proposed them, they would have worked. So it is not really his fault. The Company took advantage of the language. But SOB did eliminate his 22.4 position and he did replace SOB as the Package Director and co-chair of the UPS National Negotiating Committee in 2018.

I was looking for a shot across the bow, but he retired.

 

[Coldworld]

Don't know. I know we got one though.

How you feel about that?

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

I laugh and scoff, when people blame Denis T for the last contract.

You have to find a boogeyman.... somewhere ?

Well everyone watches closely to see what you have to say about everything....

 

[Non liberal]

Imagine the central getting a smaller raise than the west because it's more expensive to live out here and us saying.. "we're just trying to close the gap and make it fair..."

It's not the rest of the nation's fault you guys can seem to manager your books even with bailout and bailout. Put that lower cost of living money into your 401k if you need more for retirement.

Start electing republicans if you want a lower cost of living.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Imagine the central getting a smaller raise than the west because it's more expensive to live out here and us saying.. "we're just trying to close the gap and make it fair..."

It's not the rest of the nation's fault you guys can seem to manager your books even with bailout and bailout. Put that lower cost of living money into your 401k if you need more for retirement.

The problem with most pension plans they have not gotten raises for many many years
What may sound like a decent number today will not be a good number 10 or 20 years from now

But yes everyone needs to take a little personal responsibility and put some money into their own personal retirement plans

 

[nWo]

Local 89 is now officially and proudly recommending a Yes vote.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KpRZFWnnqfUPfuceTuQnY4BFL1CDFEVZ2WYX5K5dynTGRWr4Pe5KySjo1BpHgAhDl&id=100063722806598&mibextid=CDWPTG

 

[BobJ]

What prevents UPS from dropping the MRA the day before the new contract is ratified?

edit: So the Union is acting on "FAITH" that UPS won't screw them over. Again.

 

[542thruNthru]

Local 89 is now officially and proudly recommending a Yes vote.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0KpRZFWnnqfUPfuceTuQnY4BFL1CDFEVZ2WYX5K5dynTGRWr4Pe5KySjo1BpHgAhDl&id=100063722806598&mibextid=CDWPTG

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[BobJ]

Most would just squander that money on new cars, boats, etc etc and would have jack to retire on and cry that the union didn’t have their back. Sometimes we have to save people from themselves.

I've talked to the last 20 retirees before they left and NONE had any savings outside the Pension. No 401k, no investments. About half have paid off their house though.

I get it.

The 10% of us that plan ahead are being punished because 90% of the population have no financial self discipline.

I also hate that the excuse is almost always "I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, I have to spend every cent now!"

I know of at least 6 that started working again, all retired pre-Covid, as bartender, waitress, lawn care specialist, florist...

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I've talked to the last 20 retirees before they left and NONE had any savings outside the Pension. No 401k, no investments. About half have paid off their house though.

I get it.

The 10% of us that plan ahead are being punished because 90% of the population have no financial self discipline.

I also hate that the excuse is almost always "I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, I have to spend every cent now!"

I know of at least 6 that started working again, all retired pre-Covid, as bartender, waitress, lawn care specialist, florist...

Not everyone is irresponsible.

Most of the pension plans are not enough few to live on during the whole retirement

 

[Crosscutters]

Start electing republicans if you want a lower cost of living.

The inflation rate during Reagan’s time would disagree.

 

[RangerMan06]

Just remember the stock market could crash at anytime. Just because it hasn't, doesn't mean it won't. In that scenario a pension would be far more valuable than a 401k

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Just remember the stock market could crash at anytime. Just because it hasn't, doesn't mean it won't. In that scenario a pension would be far more valuable than a 401k

Where do you think you think that you pension money is invested?

 

[pkgdriver]

Just remember the stock market could crash at anytime. Just because it hasn't, doesn't mean it won't. In that scenario a pension would be far more valuable than a 401k

Doesnt a pension invest in equities in its different asset classes?

 

[pkgdriver]

Where do you think you think that you pension money is invested?

Its in equities among other things like real estate, private equities, and hedge funds. Bottom line is market crash affects pensions also.

 

[pkgdriver]

Where do you think you think that you pension money is invested?

Where is Jerkwad when you need him.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Its in equities among other things like real estate, private equities, and hedge funds. Bottom line is market crash affects pensions also.

Absolutely

 

[DELACROIX]

I've talked to the last 20 retirees before they left and NONE had any savings outside the Pension. No 401k, no investments. About half have paid off their house though.

I get it.

The 10% of us that plan ahead are being punished because 90% of the population have no financial self discipline.

I also hate that the excuse is almost always "I could get hit by a bus tomorrow, I have to spend every cent now!"

I know of at least 6 that started working again, all retired pre-Covid, as bartender, waitress, lawn care specialist, florist...

I get what you are saying, the problem is that we have negotiated retirement plans that pay considerable less that others for the same number of years service and age requirements. It is not a level playing field.

I recently retired and have savings in a 401K, started that as a full timer back in the early nineties. Before that as a part timer I was in the (defunct) Thrift Plan, I do not have my house paid off yet but I can do it tomorrow if I wanted to. My pension is considerably lower than most of our retirees with the same amount of service...11 part time 35 full time...I been fighting that for years, every year went down to the Hall and put in my proposals...

The advantage I have is that I am almost 69 years of age and was eligible to collect full social security when I turned 66 and still work. I was eligible for Medicare when I turned 65 and therefore didn't have to deal with the Team Care's retirees Health and Welfare benefits, paying about the same amount for Medicare B and supplemental insurance.

I stated this before and everybody is probably sick of it....a lot of our members have been left behind before O'Brien got into office...(Those part timers under the UPS Pension Plan that are eligible for retirement now and in the future got absolutely nothing with this TA or the Central Supplement...)