Is UPS really this bad to work for, or are people exaggerating??

[tieguy]

I'm not saying there aren't drivers equally guilty of the exact same things above, but each one of those people were in charge of me at one point or another

yea the problem is you didn't put a big long list out of how drivers are drunks, pervs and thieves you put one out showing how management is. I could easily have done a thread listing some of the many offenses I've seen drivers get fired for over the years and in so doing give the impression all drivers are screwed up. They ( management) screwed up they got fired. The system worked. That should be the end of it.

 

[canon]

yea the problem is you didn't put a big long list out of how drivers are drunks, pervs and thieves you put one out showing how management is. I could easily have done a thread listing some of the many offenses I've seen drivers get fired for over the years and in so doing give the impression all drivers are screwed up. They ( management) screwed up they got fired. The system worked. That should be the end of it.

I don't work for the drivers.

If you want to start a thread called "Is UPS a great place for drunks, pervs and thieves to work", then be my guest. But your low opinion of the drivers really only hurts your argument when we consider UPS promotes from within. Maybe the Letter Of Intent should be replaced by a more thorough background check. In this thread, we're dealing with the question "Is UPS really this bad to work for?"... and the answers will invariably concern those who have the greatest impact on that response: management (aka former drunks, pervs and thieves according to you).

I wasn't trying to single out management as being the only ones capable of wrongdoings in the workplace, nor imply they are all corrupt. Sorry if that's how it came across. The drunk in the truck next to me stealing porn doesn't wield the power to discipline me. The coke sniffing manager who is cooking the numbers (Marvin) for his own corporate ascent does.

I find it "typical" that out of that whole message the best reply you can come up with equates to "nuh uh, you are". What about the rest of it? What about that last paragraph: "But I do like my job, that's why I want it fixed. It's not the hard work people are complaining about, it is doing the hard work and being told we're not doing enough. My request to management was, and still is: show me how and I'll be more than happy to do it. I'm still waiting."

Is UPS really this bad to work for? Depends on how current they are in their house cleaning. If good pay and benefits are the only criteria you need to define a good working experience, then UPS is cream of the crop. If spending a good portion of 30 years trying to meet unreasonable expectations from management that only see you as drunk pervs who steal... then you might have a different answer.

 

[TCRACE1025]

Do we not have a cell phone????

UPS DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO BRING CELL PHONES INTO THE BUILDINGS...

 

[tieguy]

I don't work for the drivers.

If you want to start a thread called "Is UPS a great place for drunks, pervs and thieves to work", then be my guest. But your low opinion of the drivers really only hurts your argument when we consider UPS promotes from within.

Regardless of your intent your posts made it appear as so. Trying to twist that point into an attack on drivers is beneath you. People are people and their job does not make them immune to that point. You could have also had a long list on judges or police officers and sent the same negative impression. That was my point.

 

[toonertoo]

hmmm, lets see, yep, its a crappy job that pays good without a college education.

I assume you neverrun, do not have a college education?
I hear UPS has tuition remibursement, for those of us who do not already have one, or two, or three degrees.

 

[canon]

Trying to twist that point into an attack on drivers is beneath you.

yea the problem is you didn't put a big long list out of how drivers are drunks, pervs and thieves

Tieguy, you made the assertion that drivers are drunks pervs and thieves. I didn't *twist* anything. Agreed people are people and both groups share their own unique problems. That's why in my initial post I said:
"I'm not saying there aren't drivers equally guilty of the exact same things above, but each one of those people were in charge of me at one point or another."
It was an attempt to highlight some of the difficulties in being an employee for UPS which includes having to "survive" those management people not yet terminated by corporate. Quite appropriate in a thread asking "Is UPS really this bad to work for?"

Your claim that trying to twist your statement into an attack is beneath me, I have to take that as a compliment. Likewise, I found your "nuh-uh, you are" approach to rebuttle to be equally lacking in conveying your full ability in a mature conversation. I know you can do better, stop pretending.

 

[Channahon]

Retired after 27 years of service. Am thankful for what I left with as far as pension and benefits for my spouse and myself. I worked hard and am now playing hard during my retirement. Nobody forced me to work at UPS, it was my decision to stay till the end. However, if I was nearly as unhappy as some folks on this post, I would'nt put myself or my family through the misery, complaining, stress, etc. Nobody is under any threats, if they don't work for UPS, are they? Life is too short, to be miserable on a daily basis at work.

 

[canon]

Retired after 27 years of service. Am thankful for what I left with as far as pension and benefits for my spouse and myself. I worked hard and am now playing hard during my retirement. Nobody forced me to work at UPS, it was my decision to stay till the end. However, if I was nearly as unhappy as some folks on this post, I would'nt put myself or my family through the misery, complaining, stress, etc. Nobody is under any threats, if they don't work for UPS, are they? Life is too short, to be miserable on a daily basis at work.

Again with the love it or leave it solution. I think most people want to work for UPS, but acknowledge there are some very serious flaws in what impacts our day to day experience. Are we not supposed to want to establish a better workplace atmosphere? Should we just throw our hands in the air and walk out because the latest crap-hole manager just arrived at our center with the attitude that all drivers are lazy drunks, pervs, and thieves?

What's wrong with management actually trying to create a positive work environment? My brother works at Toyota, non-union. So far, the majority of the workers don't see the need for union representation. Why? Because management goes to great lengths to make sure the employees are fairly delt with. The expectations are well within the realm of what's humanly possible.

Everytime I hit a stoplight or train delay, it counts against me. When the preload puts a package in the wrong spot and I have to look for it, counts against me. We have to tape our own packages because they don't allow preload the time to do it anymore... counts against me. We're supposed to follow EDD, but sometimes add/splits show up after the driver has already downloaded EDD... backtracking to deliver what wasn't in the board counts against me. Management has already told me it would be impossible to run scratch... yet they won't adjust it so that it is possible. Again, counts against me.

Why not leave? I have a lot of time invested here and the hope that eventually things improve. So far tho, my experience with the majority of management (the ones I have day to day dealings with) aren't in a position to stand up and say what's right. I'm sure they'd love the numbers to actually be something that is possible to achieve.

But your solution is much easier. Love it or leave it. Let's not stop with UPS tho. Tired of being discriminated against? Go back to the country where you came from. Your teenage kids being difficult? Give them up for adoption. Don't like the current president or the war in Iraq? Move to France and stop your democratic bew-hewing. Tired of facing the responsibilities of being a superpower? Flee to Canada.

I asked it in another thread... what's wrong with trying to fix things? Fixing them begins with acknowledging they exist... something managment is a bit reluctant to do. Congrats on your retirement, I hope it's everything you dreamt it would be. I still have a ways to go, would love for a few things to change between now and then. That doesn't mean I hate the company.

 

[trickpony1]

canon-
Excellent post!
I am now waiting for a prominent management poster to counterpoint with why it can't happen as you suggest.
The company seems to relish in the "double bind" scenario in which a person is "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't".....and they wonder where we get our attitudes 1

 

[canon]

canon-
Excellent post!
I am now waiting for a prominent management poster to counterpoint with why it can't happen as you suggest.

Me too. Unfortunately we'll probably have to settle for a response from Tieguy.







JUST KIDDING TIEGUY. You know u da man.

 

[tieguy]

Tieguy, you made the assertion that drivers are drunks pervs and thieves. I didn't *twist* anything.

No I said if I duplicated your post about managment that I could make it look like they were such. I don't really believe your that stupid so I'll just assume you're trying to be difficult.

 

[tieguy]

canon-
Excellent post!
I am now waiting for a prominent management poster to counterpoint with why it can't happen as you suggest.
The company seems to relish in the "double bind" scenario in which a person is "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't".....and they wonder where we get our attitudes 1

While you wonder where the majority of upsers who have positive attitudes get thier attitude. Enjoy your little crying session with your new friend.

 

[canon]

Tieguy, you made the assertion that drivers are drunks pervs and thieves. I didn't *twist* anything.

No I said if I duplicated your post about managment that I could make it look like they were such. I don't really believe your that stupid so I'll just assume you're trying to be difficult.

And if you did so in this thread it would be considered off topic. I assure you I'm not that stupid, and the difficulty stems from you ignoring everything else in that post and simply coming to the defense of management. Again, I didn't *twist* anything.

I'm sure this is as close to an apology your tie will allow, so I accept.

 

[canon]

While you wonder where the majority of upsers who have positive attitudes get thier attitude. Enjoy your little crying session with your new friend.

Tieguy, you dodged actually having to answer anything again. Nobody is crying, why can't you just address the problems instead of trying to insult? That's a mighty juvenile tie you wear. Clip on? How typical.

 

[tieguy]

Tieguy, you made the assertion that drivers are drunks pervs and thieves. I didn't *twist* anything. Agreed people are people and both groups share their own unique problems. That's why in my initial post I said:
"I'm not saying there aren't drivers equally guilty of the exact same things above, but each one of those people were in charge of me at one point or another."
It was an attempt to highlight some of the difficulties in being an employee for UPS which includes having to "survive" those management people not yet terminated by corporate. Quite appropriate in a thread asking "Is UPS really this bad to work for?"

Your claim that trying to twist your statement into an attack is beneath me, I have to take that as a compliment. Likewise, I found your "nuh-uh, you are" approach to rebuttle to be equally lacking in conveying your full ability in a mature conversation. I know you can do better, stop pretending.

Here's the verse you totally ignored when you tried to twist my words:

I could easily have done a thread listing some of the many offenses I've seen drivers get fired for over the years and in so doing give the impression all drivers are screwed up

AS I said " to give the impression" It was in response to your attack on management in the prior post. You knew that when you tried to twist my words but chose to misrepresent my words anyway. Where I come from we call that dishonesty.

 

[tieguy]

Tieguy, you made the assertion that drivers are drunks pervs and thieves. I didn't *twist* anything.
And if you did so in this thread it would be considered off topic. I assure you I'm not that stupid, and the difficulty stems from you ignoring everything else in that post and simply coming to the defense of management. Again, I didn't *twist* anything.

I'm sure this is as close to an apology your tie will allow, so I accept.

Then I stand corrected your not difficult your actually that stupid.

 

[tieguy]

Tieguy, you dodged actually having to answer anything again. Nobody is crying, why can't you just address the problems instead of trying to insult? That's a mighty juvenile tie you wear. Clip on? How typical.

I would suggest that you read your own posts with an open mind. You'll find that you in fact do quite a bit of crying. Ever consider a career with the post office? Their a little more comfortable with section 8 workers.

 

[canon]

Here's the verse you totally ignored when you tried to twist my words:



AS I said " to give the impression" It was in response to your attack on management in the prior post. You knew that when you tried to twist my words but chose to misrepresent my words anyway. Where I come from we call that dishonesty.

I have the ability to scroll up, I know what you said and how it was said. As I stated in my original post, I acknowledged drivers were equally capable of wrongdoings. The twisting started when you hit the quote key. The fact you see my post as an attack on management is key here. It's not. Listing the management which have been fired for various reasons in a thread asking about the working conditions is not an attack. They each had a direct impact on the working conditions at my building. But again, rather than address the issues, you'd rather try to discredit my post by saying "oh yeah, what about the drivers?"

I answered that Tieguy, I don't work for the drivers. Now why don't you take a moment and address what working conditions must be like to work for a list like I posted? Maybe you might actually be ontopic. Agreed, they were fired and the system worked. Now what do you think work is like until they are fired?

I'm starting to get the impression you don't like me. Maybe if you tried responding to the issue rather than relying on insulting and sidestepping we could find middle ground. I'd never make it in management.

 

[canon]

Then I stand corrected your not difficult your actually that stupid.

In this case, "your" should actually be you're. It's a contraction of you are. Sorry if it seems I'm being difficult, I must look really stupid.

 

[swing-driver]

Can't we all just get along?