Local 25 Teamsters borderline criminal act?

[SoCalUPS]

Like I stated before, those seasonal members got hosed. They owed the money and the Union collected it like a repo man does. Local 25 needs to make some major changes to the amount that seasonals pay. Someone needs to make a motion at a Union meeting in January for a bylaw change

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Everyone knows when hired what the initial fee is. There is some information that is lost in these news articles.
A few I have are:
How many employees has this happened to?
How many were hired (article said thousands)?
This woman had her whore Christmas week check taken. Did she work weeks prior without fees taken? Was this her first and only week of work? Which union representative did she speak to?
The point is, I had a part time initiation fee of $300 when I was making $8 an hour. Right or wrong, I knew the deal. It sucks that this happened the week of Christmas but before we put the onus on someone or something, let’s see where the truth takes us.

It isn't even the initiation fee that is the main problem.
These guys are getting that huge amount taken, and they're about to lose their jobs in the next couple weeks.

Tell me what the union got these guys. They don't get decent pay. They get no benefits. They get no job protection. They get no future career.

What did the union do to earn their 500 dollars?

 

[SoCalUPS]

There are other threads that already covered this. The union was only supposed to take $32/week. The question is, who screwed up, the company or the union? Regardless of who was at fault, the union should live up to their agreement with the workers and refund them the difference.



Not if you are seasonal... the only reason seasonals should have to initiate is if the union finds them other work throughout the year. Otherwise, a temporary worker should be a temporary union member, responsible only for dues while they are working.

Local 25 did not do the weekly payments anymore because Company was not sending them over in a timely fashion. Local 25 will not refund anything since it is money owed. The seasonal members needed the money for Christmas, it does nothing to get anything returned now

 

[SoCalUPS]

It isn't even the initiation fee that is the main problem.
These guys are getting that huge amount taken, and they're about to lose their jobs in the next couple weeks.

Tell me what the union got these guys. They don't get decent pay. They get no benefits. They get no job protection. They get no future career.

What did the union do to earn their 500 dollars?

Since they paid an initiation fee, they can file a withdrawal and search for Teamster work anywhere else. They will be on good standing and will never have to pay an initiation again

 

[wide load]

The union lied to them and took their entire paycheck .

They have no benefits. Zero. nothing. And thanks to local 25 they made about 15 cents an hour .

Now local 25 have refused to say the total amount of the money they stole. But it's clear as day that they stole it.

Glad you wanted for all the information before forming an opinion.

 

[wide load]

There are other threads that already covered this. The union was only supposed to take $32/week. The question is, who screwed up, the company or the union? Regardless of who was at fault, the union should live up to their agreement with the workers and refund them the difference.



Not if you are seasonal... the only reason seasonals should have to initiate is if the union finds them other work throughout the year. Otherwise, a temporary worker should be a temporary union member, responsible only for dues while they are working.

Anyone get laid off?

 

[wide load]

It isn't even the initiation fee that is the main problem.
These guys are getting that huge amount taken, and they're about to lose their jobs in the next couple weeks.

Tell me what the union got these guys. They don't get decent pay. They get no benefits. They get no job protection. They get no future career.

What did the union do to earn their 500 dollars?

So you’re positive they are letting these people go? You’re positive they are all seasonal?

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

So you’re positive they are letting these people go? You’re positive they are all seasonal?

I'm not "positive" they are all seasonal, as I wasn't there. But given that they were hired recently enough to need to pay initiation fees, that would make them hired in the seasonal period, yes.

And the union doesn't choose who gets to keep their employment. Historically speaking, UPS lets most of the seasonals go after Christmas. You likely know this fact, already.

So to be clear, your defense of the local hinges on UPS hiring on ALL of those workers after peak ends, and laying none of them off?

 

[wide load]

Like I stated before, those seasonal members got hosed. They owed the money and the Union collected it like a repo man does. Local 25 needs to make some major changes to the amount that seasonals pay. Someone needs to make a motion at a Union meeting in January for a bylaw change

They owed the money you say?

 

[wide load]

Like I stated before, those seasonal members got hosed. They owed the money and the Union collected it like a repo man does. Local 25 needs to make some major changes to the amount that seasonals pay. Someone needs to make a motion at a Union meeting in January for a bylaw change

Bylaws change doesn’t happen with just a motion.

 

[BadIdeaGuy]

Since they paid an initiation fee, they can file a withdrawal and search for Teamster work anywhere else. They will be on good standing and will never have to pay an initiation again

Lol. You really think they are going to want much to do with the teamsters after this?
Really???

 

[wide load]

I'm not "positive" they are all seasonal, as I wasn't there. But given that they were hired recently enough to need to pay initiation fees, that would make them hired in the seasonal period, yes.

And the union doesn't choose who gets to keep their employment. Historically speaking, UPS lets most of the seasonals go after Christmas. You likely know this fact, already.

So to be clear, your defense of the local hinges on UPS hiring on ALL of those workers after peak ends, and laying none of them off?

Could they have owed the initiation?

 

[SoCalUPS]

Bylaws change doesn’t happen with just a motion.

The initiation fee was owed. A motion must be made at 3 consecutive meetings starting in January. Once the motion passes, it is put to a vote by the Membership

 

[SoCalUPS]

Could they have owed the initiation?

The initiation was rightfully owed

 

[wide load]

The initiation fee was owed. A motion must be made at 3 consecutive meetings starting in January. Once the motion passes, it is put to a vote by the Membership

So the fee was owed. Now we are getting somewhere. So the issue is about the lump sum?

 

[SoCalUPS]

So the fee was owed. Now we are getting somewhere. So the issue is about the lump sum?

Exactly

 

[Jackburton]

Anyone get laid off?

What about adding or, that would cover more people I think.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Local 25 did not do the weekly payments anymore because Company was not sending them over in a timely fashion. Local 25 will not refund anything since it is money owed. The seasonal members needed the money for Christmas, it does nothing to get anything returned now

I don't know for sure, but, based on what I've read, there was an agreement between the local and the seasonal workers that the amount would be $32/week. Regardless of what the money is for, the workers earned the money, the union failed to keep their part of the agreement by taking too much at once.

 

[wide load]

Exactly

Did anyone mention to the union that the money wasn’t being deducted the weeks prior?

 

[SoCalUPS]

Did anyone mention to the union that the money wasn’t being deducted the weeks prior?

Yes, the Union was aware. So they threatened to take all of it and did