I miss DOL's input. He's dealing with the same insanity we are...just from the other side of the fence.
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I miss DOL's input. He's dealing with the same insanity we are...just from the other side of the fence.
UPS has worn us down to the point that they expect us to accept a concessionary contract. This E-board needs to step down and the process re-started with a new E-board. UPS is using a weak E-board to jam their contract down our throughts!
The E-board needs to do the right thing and delay the process by stepping down and allowing the new E-board to re-negotiate the contract. Taking us out on strike or allowing a lockout would be the worse thing we can do.
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4 Years of Negotiations and this is all we have to show for it. What a joke! No wonder our E-board wouldn't present this to us. I'd be ashamed to present this to the membership too. Two terms of doing nothing but bash Darmento and this all you have to show for 4 years of negotiations. All the stories about how well we are so respected in our three piece suits.
Fed Ex now makes more than we do and they pay no union dues. What do our dues get us? We have a mechanic still working while probably 20 or so are on the street that have more time than he does? Hows that for representation?
You have to remember UPS regreted signing our last contract before the ink was dry! Their whole focus on these negotiations is to recoup what they feel is a bad contract. At no point have they negotiated in good faith!
Our current E-board rode in on Joe's coat tails thinking it would be easy, not recognizing that UPS was never going to negotiate in good faith. Now UPS is using a weak E-board to exploit our membership, violate our contract and destroy lives in an effort to force us to accept a concessionay contract.
Amature hour is over! The best thing we can do is nothing and start over with a professional negotiating team that will not be intimidated or terrorized by UPS.
THE TIME HAS COME! TAKE THE TRAINING WHEELS OFF!
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I guess the next step is for the NMB to declare a 30 day cooling off period. We will strike or be locked out, in either case we will be forced to vote on this Last offer by UPS. Another steller performance by our E-board! At least the details are out for the membership to decide and for our new E-board to prepare.
Wonder if the T-shirt issue was resolved?
Please strike, none of you are needed. Trust me. Strike, Strike, Strike, Strike.......
The last and final offer is not acceptable. The E-Board should call off talks and wait till the new guys come show up in October. Our current contract has us below SWA and FDX and I can wait till Joe and Jack show up to get a fair days pay for a fair days work.
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Obi-Wan
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I agree, if we don't get a fair offer, we will wait until October. Once again we were removed from the public eye under the, "RECENT THREADS". I just don't get what there is to hide? UPS runs like a machine, no conscience, why make it look like a Disney story book and hide the truth?
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Our server is completely overloaded right now. Thousands of database errors and service disruptions have plagued our forum over the past few days.
This thread is huge, serving it uses up a lot more resources than a normal thread. This forum was removed from the recent threads feed yesterday because of the repeated thread bumping. Manipulating the organic content of the recent threads list doesn't add meaningful content to the forum and is a drain of our server's resources. It makes no sense to allow this kind of abuse at a time when our server is already bursting at the seams.
Sorry, at the moment we just don't have enough server resources available to indulge attention seeking behavior.
To stop the drain of resources I chose to remove this forum from the recent threads feed. If you'd prefer I can lock this thread so that no one can bump it again and then put this forum back into the recent threads feed. Surely there is some topic that you've discussed in this thread that you could discuss in a lighter weight thread that wouldn't eat up so many of our thinly stretched resources.
Our server is completely overloaded right now. Thousands of database errors and service disruptions have plagued our forum over the past few days.
This thread is huge, serving it uses up a lot more resources than a normal thread. This forum was removed from the recent threads feed yesterday because of the repeated thread bumping. Manipulating the organic content of the recent threads list doesn't add meaningful content to the forum and is a drain of our server's resources. It makes no sense to allow this kind of abuse at a time when our server is already bursting at the seams.
Sorry, at the moment we just don't have enough server resources available to indulge attention seeking behavior.
To stop the drain of resources I chose to remove this forum from the recent threads feed. If you'd prefer I can lock this thread so that no one can bump it again and then put this forum back into the recent threads feed. Surely there is some topic that you've discussed in this thread that you could discuss in a lighter weight thread that wouldn't eat up so many of our thinly stretched resources.
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Thank you.
By the way All, I HAVE NOT been threatening Airbusfxr!
It is just an adolescent attempt at either drawing me into an argument or trying to make me look bad. Either way, this thread has been buried where no one sees it anymore anyway. I am not rushing to get my tools rolled out. Maybe 10 of you guys may strike, but I don't think there's enough support within the airline. Hey, how about a clever "February to Remember" campaign???
Cheryl, you can do as you please. There are 6 threads on the MGT pushout, maybe you could also combine those. Like I stated you can remove all that you want and need to provide service commitments. Thanks for letting us know the reason for the reductions. Your #1 fan Airbusfxr
dilligaf
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DOL, he's just jealous of your winning personality.
We are now offically at a impase. The E-board will not allow this "Final offer" to come to a vote. Its now up the the NMB to set the pace. My guess is we will be released and a Strike or Lockout will follow. Nobody wants to strike and the history of strikes in this industry is not good.
Dol even though there may not be wide spread support for a strike we have no option but to support a strike, the National and IPA will support us for a while and this will turn into a mess for everyone.
If it comes to a strike every Teamster needs to holds the line and support each other or we will all be doomed.
Lets hope the NMB put the talks in recess until October.
Dol even though there may not be wide spread support for a strike we have no option but to support a strike, the National and IPA will support us for a while and this will turn into a mess for everyone.
If it comes to a strike every Teamster needs to holds the line and support each other or we will all be doomed.
Lets hope the NMB put the talks in recess until October.
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Thats what this is really about. UPS is setting the table for the National contract in 2013. Our contract is a drop in the bucket compared to the real fight in 2013.
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