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Thebrownblob

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The election hasn't happened yet. You don't think the Republicans aren't going to have more observers out there watching everything? That they don't care enough to try much harder to insure a fair election? Tell me, if there's a civil war, and their side was half again bigger than our side, would you just throw up your hands and say no point in trying? Really?

Yeah, I bet the Democrats are really worried about those observers. It worked really well last time lol come on dude.
Trump didn’t win any legal battles half of his friends who agreed with him and supported him got put in jail the other half lost their fortunes. Why wouldn’t the Democrats cheat even more if they cheated last time they got absolutely nothing in the way of penalty or punishment.
 

vantexan

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Exactly the presumptive Republican nominee has disenfranchised millions of people, saying the election was rigged and stolen. I’m not even even saying he’s not right I’m just saying he’s continuing to say it while also continue to act like voting matters. Am I not supposed to take him at his word?
I've been watching Trump lately. He's apparently getting good advice because he's greatly modulated the rigged election talk. Of course if you threw up your hands months or years ago then you wouldn't know.
 

Thebrownblob

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I've been watching Trump lately. He's apparently getting good advice because he's greatly modulated the rigged election talk. Of course if you threw up your hands months or years ago then you wouldn't know.
Who said I threw up my hands this is the Internet form where we discussed topics my question was what has changed and why won’t it happen again if it happened before. You’ve given me absolutely no assurances which is not your fault because there are none.. I have laid out to you. What They’ve done no consequence.
 

vantexan

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Yeah, I bet the Democrats are really worried about those observers. It worked really well last time lol come on dude.
Trump didn’t win any legal battles half of his friends who agreed with him and supported him got put in jail the other half lost their fortunes. Why wouldn’t the Democrats cheat even more if they cheated last time they got absolutely nothing in the way of penalty or punishment.
So Biden's record doesn't matter. Minority support for Trump doesn't matter. Third party participation drawing Democratic votes doesn't matter. They can just switch on the rigged machine and easily cover it up. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 

vantexan

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Who said I threw up my hands this is the Internet form where we discussed topics my question was what has changed and why won’t it happen again if it happened before. You’ve given me absolutely no assurances which is not your fault because there are none.. I have laid out to you. What They’ve done no consequence.
You're saying going forward the Democrats will always win so why bother? It's all rigged. They were able to get away with it in 2020 because it was so close and the pandemic affected how people could vote. They took advantage. Tell you what...if Trump wins all the red states and Biden wins all the blue states on election day, but all the swing states get drawn out for a week like last time, and Biden wins in spite of all the things that I listed above, then I will agree it's rigged. An almost 82 year old mentally incapacitated Biden with so many things against him winning would definitely indicate a rigged election. Until then I want public debates and Republicans participating fully in the process. Elections still matter.
 

Thebrownblob

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So Biden's record doesn't matter. Minority support for Trump doesn't matter. Third party participation drawing Democratic votes doesn't matter. They can just switch on the rigged machine and easily cover it up. Nothing to see here. Move along.
Not if it’s rigged, which is what you told me, you believed, third-party participation? , lol both sides participate to keep the third-party locked out of any debates. You know the ones you were saying we need to have so that people can see who these people are.I don’t think either party is about to take a chance of losing their power.
 

Thebrownblob

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You're saying going forward the Democrats will always win so why bother? It's all rigged. They were able to get away with it in 2020 because it was so close and the pandemic affected how people could vote. They took advantage. Tell you what...if Trump wins all the red states and Biden wins all the blue states on election day, but all the swing states get drawn out for a week like last time, and Biden wins in spite of all the things that I listed above, then I will agree it's rigged. An almost 82 year old mentally incapacitated Biden with so many things against him winning would definitely indicate a rigged election. Until then I want public debates and Republicans participating fully in the process. Elections still matter.
That is what you said. it was rigged stolen now you turn it around on me and act like it’s my fault when I took you at your word. I asked you what changed and why wouldn’t it happen again you haven’t given an answer because you don’t have one.
 

vantexan

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Not if it’s rigged, which is what you told me, you believed, third-party participation? , lol both sides participate to keep the third-party locked out of any debates. You know the ones you were saying we need to have so that people can see who these people are. think either party is about to take a chance of losing their power.
John Anderson in 1980 participated in the debates and got about 10% of the vote. Ross Perot also in 1992 and got 19%. We've had 3rd party candidates participate in the debates since then.
 

vantexan

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That is what you said. it was rigged stolen now you turn it around on me and act like it’s my fault when I took you at your word. I asked you what changed and why wouldn’t it happen again you haven’t given an answer because you don’t have one.
You asked, I answered, but you're the one saying going forward it's all rigged so why bother.
 

vantexan

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Wrong I asked you what changed you haven’t answered it’s a valid question when you told me it was stolen and rigged.
You asked me if I thought it was stolen and rigged and I replied yes. You asked me why this time would be different and I pointed out why. I honestly don't know what more I can say. But you're the one saying no point participating because it's all rigged.
 

Thebrownblob

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John Anderson in 1980 participated in the debates and got about 10% of the vote. Ross Perot also in 1992 and got 19%. We've had 3rd party candidates participate in the debates since then.
Lol ok
“The two parties accomplished this by creating the official sounding Commission on Presidential Debates in 1987. Within a year, this private nonprofit corporation had pushed the League aside and taken control of the debates”

 

Thebrownblob

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You asked me if I thought it was stolen and rigged and I replied yes. You asked me why this time would be different and I pointed out why. I honestly don't know what more I can say. But you're the one saying no point participating because it's all rigged.
You didn’t give any good reasons, there’s no mechanisms in place to stop it. There was no penalty if it happened the first time. You said you just hope it works this time. I’m not gonna berate you if that’s your answer I just think that’s Not very reassuring.
 

vantexan

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Lol ok
“The two parties accomplished this by creating the official sounding Commission on Presidential Debates in 1987. Within a year, this private nonprofit corporation had pushed the League aside and taken control of the debates”

Sigh.....
 

vantexan

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You didn’t give any good reasons, there’s no mechanisms in place to stop it. There was no penalty if it happened the first time. You said you just hope it works this time. I’m not gonna berate you if that’s your answer I just think that’s. Not very reassuring.
So don't participate.
 

Thebrownblob

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So don't participate.
Well, it’s not really about me necessarily how many people do you think are disfranchised? Do you not think that will effect the election? Wasn’t that long ago there was supposed to be a red wave and there wasn’t…… was that rigged or was that disenfranchisement? The fact that you don’t like my questions is irrelevant they are fair questions and I am an independent thinker not a yes, man for either party or candidate.
 

vantexan

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I know, imagine that both parties creating commission to make it near impossible for a third-party to get their face out there.
In spite of the fact that they have. The two major parties attract the big donors and it takes major money to get your face out there in a meaningful way. As with everything it's about the money.
 
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