Catatonic
Nine Lives
I think I'll take that as a complliment even if it's not one.
I always respect self-employed people and business owners.
Even you.
President Obama!
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I always respect self-employed people and business owners.
Even you.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Remember what started this?
You and other Obama apologists that go crazy when people call them Socialists.
I never expressed an opinion whether the government or a president being Socialist was good or bad ... just that in the US, they are.
It is the nature of any government to "buy" the continued right to govern by appeasing the lower classes while at the same time ensuring the ruling class stays wealthy. At some point the system breaks down and a new system is put in place, most often to the detriment of the aforementioned lower class.
oldngray
nowhere special
In Europe socialist does not have the negative connotations it has in the US, and people like the term socialism there. In US similar policies avoid the socialist label like the plague, but that is exactly what many of Obama's programs entail. Not as extreme as the versions in Europe but definitely a form of socialism.
YOU know "socialist" has a negative connotation. And you hang it out there for the effect of that connotation but you know Obamacare is not a "take over of the healthcare" system and you know it's no socialism in the classic sense of the word. So you have made up your own definition in which every dollar spent by the government "for the common good" could easily fit that definition. I believe to put it in a word, you are being nothing less than disingenuous in calling Obamacare socialism.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
We need to streamline entitlements and reduce military spending.
Overpaid Union Thug
Well-Known Member
We should be able to honor our commitments to our allies in Asia. Not just Taiwan. If we can't and our military is defeated due to cuts then not only is our credibility gone but other allies will fall like dominoes. Not to mention the affect on trade. If people think China is taking U.S. jobs now just wait till we lose our standing in Asia. This can't be compared to the Vietnam War. Its not a question of stopping the spread of communism. Plus, in Vietnam, our military wasn't defeated on the ground. It was defeated in the White House. Many experts think that our military would be defeated outright by China if they were to decide to take Taiwan or if we had to defend another of our allies from a Chinese territory grab. And the studies are based on our capabilities now. In ten years or less those studies will have even more merrit based on both country's current trends of military spending and development. We spend much more but you have to remember just how spread out our military already is. All of these entitlement programs are sucking us dry.
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations — entangling alliances with none.
moreluck
golden ticket member
I personally think it is an impossibility to "restore" people's health plans that have already been cancelled (IMO)....restore to me means "same coverage at the same price as before".
Top Democrat joins push to keep health plans after Clinton's ObamaCare critique | Fox News
Top Democrat joins push to keep health plans after Clinton's ObamaCare critique | Fox News
island1fox
Well-Known Member
More,
My concern --related to what Carney referred to ----for Obama to save his BUTT ----More Coverage---More Cost ----That for the "Independent policies " ---a paid subsidy--no matter their income level ---let the rest of us pay --to get the Dems through the next election.
At that time the employer mandate kicks in ---over 90 million lose their policies --more coverage--way more cost -----Dems in control of House and Senate --
Hillary pushes for "single Payor" as she runs her Coronation campaign ---and the low information voters will believe that "free" Total Government control Healthcare will be the best in the world.
P.S. Many more people running to Doctors for just a sneeze --less and less doctors --not enough Hospitals ---Please do not say "Death Panels" or Rationing --PERIOD !!!
oldngray
nowhere special
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Poor attempt at deflection and misdirection.
This is about Obamacare which is transitioning and forcefully moving people from something they have to something they don't want.
Medicare Part D was a new program and nobody was left in limbo.
MAKAVELI
Well-Known Member
More,
My concern --related to what Carney referred to ----for Obama to save his BUTT ----More Coverage---More Cost ----That for the "Independent policies " ---a paid subsidy--no matter their income level ---let the rest of us pay --to get the Dems through the next election.
At that time the employer mandate kicks in ---over 90 million lose their policies --more coverage--way more cost -----Dems in control of House and Senate --
Hillary pushes for "single Payor" as she runs her Coronation campaign ---and the low information voters will believe that "free" Total Government control Healthcare will be the best in the world.
P.S. Many more people running to Doctors for just a sneeze --less and less doctors --not enough Hospitals ---Please do not say "Death Panels" or Rationing --PERIOD !!!
Yes it's the end of the world as we know it! Armageddon! Get your shelters ready for the zombie apocalypse! Lmao!
ImWaitingForTheDay
Annoy a conservative....Think for yourself
Catatonic
Nine Lives
That is disingenuous at best and silly regardless.
The reason the premiums went up is because what is covered has been increased.
That's like blaming Toyota when a person driving a Corolla has to drive a Camry.
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