President Obama!

bbsam

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How is a socialist so incredibly in league with huge private oil as Bush was and huge insurance conglomerates as Obama is?
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
How is a socialist so incredibly in league with huge private oil as Bush was and huge insurance conglomerates as Obama is?

Socialist or Socialism is a term applied to government programs.
One of the primary tenets is the redistribution of wealth (actually income in the US).

Both Bush and Obama instituted programs in which people with greater income subsidized the cost for people with less income.

These, by definition, are Socialist programs and even their apologist call them "social" programs.

There is nothing Market Driven or Capitalist in the government based programs that these two gentlemen has instituted ... they are Socialist in structure and intent.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Exactly on Target.

How clear is it to all ---Now --Why the "employer" MANDATE was postponed by Obama ---MILLIONS and Millions of small and mid size Companies will pay the "fine" and send all their employees to Obamacare.

They will even pay their employees less --so that they will qualify for the Obama "freebies":sick:

Which will result in increased taxes for both individuals and companies.

Individuals for most part, are trapped in the US.

Companies are not.
They will move their headquarters and taxes to more tax-friendly countries.

UPS could be based in Belgium 10 years from now!
 

bbsam

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If you want to discuss the distribution of wealth, every graph I have see shows it flowing to those with the most, not top down.
 

island1fox

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If you want to discuss the distribution of wealth, every graph I have see shows it flowing to those with the most, not top down.


bbsam,

There is some reality there --the Rich do get Richer --The Limosine liberals and the Champayne Republicans --
---The Poor get Poorer --less opportunity -just free basics of life ----and the MIDDLE CLASS disappears --THEIR hard earned wealth is re-distributed to the poor --did you really think the Rich suffer under Socialism??---Hows Fidel and his brother doing along with their "inner circle" --the rest of the people "Viva le Revolution":happy-very:
 

Overpaid Union Thug

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The notion that we should reduce military spending is a scary thought. And could only be made by someone that clearly doesn't understand just how much of a threat China is. In the next 10 years we might have to make many decisions in Asia. Whether or not its worth it to defend Taiwan, Japan, or other allies in the region from China's claims to territory, waters, and islands is the big one. Our current capabilities in the region wouldn't be able to stop an all out invasion of Taiwan. If we'd stop wasting so much money on entitlements and subsidies to lazy asses we'd have a military that NO ONE would dare test. We need to cut entitlements. Not military spending. The entitlement minded class is weakening our national security as well as our ability to come to the aid of our allies.
 

bbsam

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I didn't bring up Belgium, Hoax did. And he brought up losing market share to Fedex Ground in another thread. I'm just pulling logically linked facts together. Sure it gets a little messy, but that's life for ya.
 

bbsam

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bbsam,

There is some reality there --the Rich do get Richer --The Limosine liberals and the Champayne Republicans --
---The Poor get Poorer --less opportunity -just free basics of life ----and the MIDDLE CLASS disappears --THEIR hard earned wealth is re-distributed to the poor --did you really think the Rich suffer under Socialism??---Hows Fidel and his brother doing along with their "inner circle" --the rest of the people "Viva le Revolution":happy-very:

No. And that's why I think the claim of "socialism" is ridiculous. Unless of course every cent the government spends on the common good is socialism in which case military spending is also socialism.
 

island1fox

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bbsam,

Lets wait and see --Carney is claiming Obama and his team are working on a FIX for the people that have lost their individual policies --the solution will be THAT ALL will receive Subsidy from the Government--the Government get their money from the people ---Ka ching --Better get those subcontractors moving --Taxes going up --real soon !!!
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
The notion that we should reduce military spending is a scary thought. And could only be made by someone that clearly doesn't understand just how much of a threat China is. In the next 10 years we might have to make many decisions in Asia. Whether or not its worth it to defend Taiwan, Japan, or other allies in the region from China's claims to territory, waters, and islands is the big one. Our current capabilities in the region wouldn't be able to stop an all out invasion of Taiwan. If we'd stop wasting so much money on entitlements and subsidies to lazy asses we'd have a military that NO ONE would dare test. We need to cut entitlements. Not military spending. The entitlement minded class is weakening our national security as well as our ability to come to the aid of our allies.

We need to cut both.
Taiwan is none of our business and our involvement there is the same as our involvement in Vietnam.
Now, instead of the spread of Communism, the US might want to keep Taiwan quasi-independent to stop the spread of Capitalism from China.
Taiwan has been part of China for 2000 + years and only after 1949 did the Taiwanese call for independence which has never happened.
 

bbsam

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bbsam,

Lets wait and see --Carney is claiming Obama and his team are working on a FIX for the people that have lost their individual policies --the solution will be THAT ALL will receive Subsidy from the Government--the Government get their money from the people ---Ka ching --Better get those subcontractors moving --Taxes going up --real soon !!!

I don't have sub contractors and only 10 employees so chances are I'm not going to be heavily burdened.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
If you want to discuss the distribution of wealth, every graph I have see shows it flowing to those with the most, not top down.

That flow is in spite of the National Government. The National Government has as one of its goals, the redistribution of wealth from high income earners to no/low income earners. Fortunately, the Constitution hampers the National Governments abilities to take away freedoms and wealth from one group and give to another.

You keep mixing (on purpose it seems) the Government intent and the results of society and market resistance that those Socialist goals.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
I don't have sub contractors and only 10 employees so chances are I'm not going to be heavily burdened.

Because you are a "slum-lord" type business owner that does not provide good wages and healthcare and pensions or 401k matching?

​Note: The "slum-lord" reference is a liberal label. I understand the absurdity of it but your liberal "friends" do not.
 
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