President Obama!

[bbsam]

The subsidies are not to individuals. They are to companies that can afford to pay less and thus inflate their bottom line. Think Fedex Ground if that helps your understanding.

 

[bbsam]

Because you are a "slum-lord" type business owner that does not provide good wages and healthcare and pensions or 401k matching?

​Note: The "slum-lord" reference is a liberal label. I understand the absurdity of it but your liberal "friends" do not.

I will direct your attention to post #2356.

 

[Catatonic]

The subsidies are not to individuals. They are to companies that can afford to pay less and thus inflate their bottom line. Think Fedex Ground if that helps your understanding.

Actually a friend of mine actually signed up for ACA healthcare insurance and she got a subsidy from the US National Government.
Their cost for healthcare went down $200 a month but the US National Government is providing a $350 subsidy.
​The actual cost of insurance went up while the coverage is pretty much the same.

 

[bbsam]

That flow is in spite of the National Government. The National Government has as one of its goals, the redistribution of wealth from high income earners to no/low income earners. Fortunately, the Constitution hampers the National Governments abilities to take away freedoms and wealth from one group and give to another.

You keep mixing (on purpose it seems) the Government intent and the results of society and market resistance that those Socialist goals.

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that Congress writes the laws. Lobbyists do. Doesn't it amaze you that the insurance industry wasn't exploding in rage at the "government takeover" of healthcare? They know that'sBS. If this wasn't going to be a huge money maker for those at the top, it would have died in a House subcommittee while the Democrats were in power.

 

[Catatonic]

Belgium may be central to UPS' domestic market in 10 years if you keep losing market share.

Certainly not US Domestic market but European domestic market, yes.
In fact, it is front and center right now and has been for the last few years.
The US Market is saturated and all UPS can do is hold onto market share.

Now back to the original subject:
UPS moving its Corporate headquarters would be strictly for purposes of reducing taxes and other favorable business reasons.
The US already has one of the highest Business Tax Structures in the world.

If not Europe, then Australia or New Zealand and even closer to home, maybe Costa Rica.

 

[bbsam]

Actually a friend of mine actually signed up for ACA healthcare insurance and she got a subsidy from the US National Government.
Their cost for healthcare went down $200 a month but the US National Government is providing a $350 subsidy.
​The actual cost of insurance went up while the coverage is pretty much the same.

My rates are going down $650 a month.

 

[Catatonic]

My rates are going down $650 a month.

How about your employees?

And are your rates going down or just what you pay out of pocket?
​Government subsidies for you too?

 

[bbsam]

How about your employees?

And are your rates going down or just what you pay out of pocket?
​Government subsidies for you too?

No subsidies for me. My rates are going from $1350 to $700 per month.



My employees differ. Some get it through spouses, some will be able to get it go less than $100 per month.

Who benefits the most? FedEx. Another corporate giveaway wrapped up in "socialism"while UPS continues to pay thousands per employee every year for not only employees but past employees.

 

[Catatonic]

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that Congress writes the laws. Lobbyists do. Doesn't it amaze you that the insurance industry wasn't exploding in rage at the "government takeover" of healthcare? They know that'sBS. If this wasn't going to be a huge money maker for those at the top, it would have died in a House subcommittee while the Democrats were in power.

I think most people understand that the healthcare and insurance providers were actively involved in "helping" write the ACA law.

Only Congress can enact laws which is the only relevant part.
You could write a law but until Congress passes it and the President signs it, it means nothing.

That's why I just laugh at people who claim that Republicans are controlled by big business and the Democrats are only in it for "the people".
​There is so little difference between the two it is hardly worth trying to differentiate.

 

[Catatonic]

The subsidies are not to individuals. They are to companies that can afford to pay less and thus inflate their bottom line. Think Fedex Ground if that helps your understanding.

I will direct your attention to post #2356.

​I understand your unwillingness or inability to see yourself as the masses see you.
Just another business owner living off the sweat and labor of his employees.

 

[bbsam]

I think most people understand that the healthcare and insurance providers were actively involved in "helping" write the ACA law.

Only Congress can enact laws which is the only relevant part.
You could write a law but until Congress passes it and the President signs it, it means nothing.

That's why I just laugh at people who claim that Republicans are controlled by big business and the Democrats are only in it for "the people".
​There is so little difference between the two it is hardly worth trying to differentiate.

So why call it "socialism" if the true spoils go once again to those at the top? Because more people lower down benefit as well?

 

[bbsam]

​I understand your unwillingness or inability to see yourself as the masses see you.

I am neither unable nor unwilling. I don't really care though. That would be like refusing to take the tax deduction for all the fuel and maintenance on the trucks every year. It's not a pretty side of business, but it is what it is.

 

[Catatonic]

So why call it "socialism" if the true spoils go once again to those at the top? Because more people lower down benefit as well?

The government is very inept at almost everything they do.

ACA is just another case.

Obama and the Democrats wants to buy votes of the non-achieving lower 50% at the expense of the middle class.
The upper class is almost totally unaffected by ACA for now.
Just add the cost to the National debt.

 

[Catatonic]

I am neither unable nor unwilling. I don't really care though. That would be like refusing to take the tax deduction for all the fuel and maintenance on the trucks every year. It's not a pretty side of business, but it is what it is.

I understand but the lazy non-achievers who never take initiative or risks do not see it that way.

 

[Catatonic]

So why call it "socialism" if the true spoils go once again to those at the top? Because more people lower down benefit as well?

The goals of the government leaders are Socialist in nature but the combined ineptitude of the government and the ability of the business leaders to sidestep and outmaneuver the government cause the middle class to pay for the gains of the lower class and the stockholders of involved businesses.

 

[bbsam]

The goals of the government leaders are Socialist in nature but the combined ineptitude of the government and the ability of the business leaders to sidestep and outmaneuver the government cause the middle class to pay for the gains of the lower class and the stockholders of involved businesses.

So what should the goals of the government leaders be if not Socialist? Strictly Capitalist? Facist? Feudal? Does the government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" owe only to the top 1%? In fact, you could make an argument that that is exactly what the founders had in mind but I think I'm glad that we don't have to live like that.

 

[bbsam]

I understand but the lazy non-achievers who never take initiative or risks do not see it that way.

I think I'll take that as a complliment even if it's not one.

 

[island1fox]

Hoax,
Is today a Holiday I do not know about ??---many of the few remaining working class seem to be very active on BC today !!

 

[tonyexpress]

Video raises more concerns over ObamaCare 'navigators' in wake of ACORN connection | Fox News

And I also moved more investments into healthcare companies the past summer.

The link in the article was causing me some trouble...Here's the story... Pretty stunning stuff caught on tape...

CAUGHT ON TAPE: Obamacare Navigators Counsel Applicants to "Lie" - YouTube

 

[island1fox]

Tony,

Do not show films like this --the Left has already established --there is no entitlement fraud---no voting fraud --and Obama did not commit fraud --when he told America over and over "If you like your plan and Doctor--You can keep it --Period !!!