Presidential press coverage

[The Other Side]

My posting was easily found and easily refuted your weak attempt at defending Bill Ayers.

The bush economy was one of the strongest in history until the present version of congress destroyed it.

The destruction of this economy by this version of congress has been swift and complete. As a liberal supporter you should be extremely proud of their accomplishments.[/quote]


Your clarity on what happened to our economy is amazing. Lets say I accept your premise.

Why then, are the very people, in the very party, set to gain more seats in the house and senate given your view of events???

Why if it is sooooo clear, that the democrats are responsible, would the american public OUST more republicans this year after ousting the first bunch in NOV 06?

How do you reconcile this fact in light of your convincing argument that the democrats are the bad guys??

How could the american public be so "dumb" when you clearly understand something we all do not?

50 states, each with different local media and different types of people yet each states people are coming to the same conclusion, OUST the republican.

Can you explain this phenomenon?

 

[Babagounj]

Yes, I agree, the media has focused on change and left McCain behind, but was that because it was John McCain or because they see another BUSH with a different name?

8 Years of failed policies (IMO), 8 years of divided americans. We need a leader, a statesman, not another man who will try to divide america into the "real america" and the "anti-america" like McCain and Sarah Palin have been propagating across the land.

A true statesman will bring citizens together, not drive them apart because of political idealogy.

Obama has demonstrated clearly that he is a statesman.

I just love the slogan of 8 failed years, you repeat it so well.
So where is all this proof that you have that Obama is a leader; just what did he do to be called a leader, just what did he command ? He was never in the military, nor did start a business & make it grow, being elected & voting present is that your glowing example.
America has been split since 1776, do you recall just what happened to those loyal to the crown after the war was over, they were considered citizens too. But they were forced to leave. So just why is it time for Obama & ONLY Obama to " to bring citizens together " ?
And just where is this "real america" located ? Could it be anywhere that people can't be conned by Obama ? Oh yes he is a conman, a flim-flam artist, he does nothing but put on a great show.

 

[The Other Side]

I just love the slogan of 8 failed years, you repeat it so well.
So where is all this proof that you have that Obama is a leader; just what did he do to be called a leader, just what did he command ? He was never in the military, nor did start a business & make it grow, being elected & voting present is that your glowing example.
America has been split since 1776, do you recall just what happened to those loyal to the crown after the war was over, they were considered citizens too. But they were forced to leave. So just why is it time for Obama & ONLY Obama to " to bring citizens together " ?
And just where is this "real america" located ? Could it be anywhere that people can't be conned by Obama ? Oh yes he is a conman, a flim-flam artist, he does nothing but put on a great show.

Whatever works for ya!

YOUBETCHA

 

[Babagounj]

Answer me this.........Why are the tv news station always comparing speeches this way; McCain & Palin vs only Obama ?
Why not Obama & Biden ?
Could it be that no one trusts Biden ?

 

[Catatonic]

Answer me this.........Could it be that no one trusts Biden ?

It's just Obama.
Biden will resurface on Wednesday.

 

[Babagounj]

It's just Obama.
Biden will resurface on Wednesday.

Traditional that would be the last time except for some funeral the sitting president does want to attend one would actually see the vp.

 

[trplnkl]

Whatever works for ya!

YOUBETCHA

Oh come on...can't you just answer the guy's question?

So where is all this proof that you have that Obama is a leader; just what did he do to be called a leader, just what did he command ? He was never in the military, nor did start a business & make it grow, being elected & voting present is that your glowing example.

 

[trplnkl]

I dont see how??

There were many factions within the weatherman, the easest way to get confused is to believe the weather underground, the sds and the weatherman are all the same people.

In a time of political termoil, there were many protest groups rising against the "machine" or the US goverments involvement in vietnam.

Many of these groups "melded" together.

There were many bad acts committed by many protest groups during this time period and the underground faction of the weatherman were no saints.

That's funny, Ayer's own people made statements implicating him , not in a plea bargine type thing but in a book and you want to pass it off as unreliable. nice try.

No one is defending there actions, the historical record is very clear.
no, they and you are just wanting everyone to ignore this history.

It just has nothing to do with this election.
With the election in of it'self no, but it goes to the character of the people that your man associated with, who they are influenced by. You might not see that as a big deal,to me it is interesting.

Associations from the past has been the death of the McCain campaign.

What about John Hagee's church and his connections to the "army of god", a right wing religious domestic terrorists group that blows up abortion clinics and kills doctors and nurses.

Q? Should John McCain be held responsible for those actions in all fairness???
Well, lets see here. Did John Hagee set any bombs? anywhere? Just what is the depth of Hagee's personal involvement with "the Army of god"?
How many years did McCain call John Hagee his spiritual leader?
BTW, these are not rhetorical questions.
We already know the facts surrounding Rev. Wright and Big"0", they are clear and refutable. Obama was fine with the "good" Rev, until the public found out just how rabid he was.

This is why McCain himself called for the non mentioning of Rev wright during the campaign. His ties to HAGEE and the Army of God would surface.
And this is based in what evidence?

"Associations" was a desperate attempt to scare the voter. It didnt work and later in history, you will see this tactic was the failure of the McCain campaign.
I was already a bit suspicious of Obama because a few weeks before he announced that he was running for President he was saying he was in no way ready for the job. I didn't believe that he was a muslim just because his middle name was Hussan. I wondered how deep his muslim ties were because of his early education began in a muslim school and his apparent adoration of MalcomX and other muslims. Seeing how it was muslim's that flew planes into the twin towers and have vowed a "holy war" against the USA, I think it is fair to want to know. Then there is the very Anti-semitic Kahlidi (sp?), how involved with him is your choice for change? How deep the connection? Yes, I do think these associations are important. There are few other names and activities that can be thrown out but I'm getting a little tired.

Someone else on here somewhere said that Obama was a con man, I think that isn't too far from the truth. Way too many inconsistencies, too many secret associations( the surface has probably just been scratched), and way too many socialists ideas for me to ever be comfortable with Obama in the White House. Maybe I'll have to get used to it, but I sure hope not.

 

[govols019]

Regardless of who wins I'm sure of two things, the sun will come up and life will still go on.

This election is the most important one ever. Just like the last one and the one before that....etc.

 

[The Other Side]

I wondered how deep his muslim ties were because of his early education began in a muslim school and his apparent adoration of MalcomX and other muslims. Seeing how it was muslim's that flew planes into the twin towers and have vowed a "holy war" against the USA, I think it is fair to want to know. Then there is the very Anti-semitic Kahlidi (sp?), how involved with him is your choice for change? How deep the connection? Yes, I do think these associations are important. There are few other names and activities that can be thrown out but I'm getting a little tired.

Glad you brought up Kahlidi. Remember, you brought him up. No doubt your info comes from both Rush Limbaugh and those wonderful fair and balanced people over at FOX news.

How deep a connection do you think McCain has to Kahlidi? Shall we explore this too? Would you want to know? If it can be proven that McCain has a deeper relationship with Kahlidi and his beliefs, would that stop you from voting for him??

I doubt it. Thats not what the propaganda is suppose to accomplish.

Here's a little factoid for you to digest before you again bring up Kahlidi and associate him with Obama.

Thursday, October 30, 2008

McCain Gave "Radical" Professor Rashid Kahlidi $448,873 In Grants


John McCain and his surrogates have attempted to paint Sen. Barack Obama as holding anti-Israel views because of his relationship with Palestinian-American Professor Rashid Kahlidi. They claim that Kahlidi holds a “very hostile view of Israel” and has “a connection to the PLO.”

The “public record” shows that Khalidi is a well-respected, mainstream scholar of Middle Eastern studies.

The inaccuracy of the McCain camps characterization of Khalidi as being "hostle to Israel" and a supporter of the PLO, is the fact that while McCain served as chairman of the board for the International Republican Institute he distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, totaling $448,873.

"This, of course, just goes to show how absurd it is to suggest that Khalidi is some sort of radical polemicist. The guy is such a credentialed and respected scholar that even right-leaning organizations have funded his work, simply because it's good work. They may not agree with his personal conclusions, but Khalidi's scholarship gets taken seriously." Noted Ezra Klein of the American Prospect .

(looks like McCain has some "spla'ning to do")

 

[Catatonic]

Regardless of who wins I'm sure of two things, the sun will come up and life will still go on.

This election is the most important one ever. Just like the last one and the one before that....etc.

Agree with that...posters on these political threads seem to be wound a little too tight!

But I must admit, it is amuzing ... flamers to the left of me, flamers to the right, stuck in the middle with you.

 

[trplnkl]

Glad you brought up Kahlidi. Remember, you brought him up. No doubt your info comes from both Rush Limbaugh and those wonderful fair and balanced people over at FOX news.

How deep a connection do you think McCain has to Kahlidi? Shall we explore this too? Would you want to know? If it can be proven that McCain has a deeper relationship with Kahlidi and his beliefs, would that stop you from voting for him??

I doubt it. Thats not what the propaganda is suppose to accomplish.

Here's a little factoid for you to digest before you again bring up Kahlidi and associate him with Obama.

Thursday, October 30, 2008

McCain Gave "Radical" Professor Rashid Kahlidi $448,873 In Grants


John McCain and his surrogates have attempted to paint Sen. Barack Obama as holding anti-Israel views because of his relationship with Palestinian-American Professor Rashid Kahlidi. They claim that Kahlidi holds a “very hostile view of Israel” and has “a connection to the PLO.”

The “public record” shows that Khalidi is a well-respected, mainstream scholar of Middle Eastern studies.

The inaccuracy of the McCain camps characterization of Khalidi as being "hostle to Israel" and a supporter of the PLO, is the fact that while McCain served as chairman of the board for the International Republican Institute he distributed several grants to the Palestinian research center co-founded by Khalidi, the Center for Palestine Research and Studies, totaling $448,873.

"This, of course, just goes to show how absurd it is to suggest that Khalidi is some sort of radical polemicist. The guy is such a credentialed and respected scholar that even right-leaning organizations have funded his work, simply because it's good work. They may not agree with his personal conclusions, but Khalidi's scholarship gets taken seriously." Noted Ezra Klein of the American Prospect .

(looks like McCain has some "spla'ning to do")

First of all I don't listen to Rush, never have and probably won't. I have said before and will say again now, I don't listen to talk radio.
When was the last time McCain had a hand in giving money to Khalidi? What are his ties to him now? Same question about Obama.
I noticed you offered no explanations for Obama's ties so we still don't know how deep and recent.

Here's a little factoid for you to digest before you again bring up Kahlidi and associate him with Obama.

Is this supposed to scare me away from asking? Wrong Bucko. Let's see if you will be as forthcoming with info on your guy. Somehow I really doubt it.

 

[Babagounj]

Oh come on...can't you just answer the guy's question?

We are still waiting for your answer....explain just what obama has accomplished that defines him as a leader ?

We want details.