tourists24
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No particular direction with the question besides of wondering your idea of baptism. I’ve always understood baptism by water. But I know the Bible has descriptions other than just that
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tourists24
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Understood. Just curiosity
BrownFlush
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BrownFlush
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What do you believe the Bible teaches about both?
tourists24
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I've never really delved into studies about it really, which is why I asked Integrity. I've always known full immersion as the way for baptism. But there are some parts that describe baptism in other ways. Matthew 3:11 and Acts 1:4-5 mentions this. I'm not insinuating anything other than what they say.
BrownFlush
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Some believe that the fire in Matt. 3:11 is connected with the baptism of the Holy Spirit.
I don't believe this what is being taught. It's a text that you have to dig in.
John was in the middle of a discussion of judgment in which fire was the punishment. He was speaking to the Pharisees and Sadducees and urging these wicked people to produce good fruit (v 7-9).
In verse 10, he warned of the punishment they would receive if they failed to bring forth good fruit, saying that a tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and cast into fire.
After he says that, he talks about Jesus' ability to baptize with fire in verse11. Then, in verse 12, he pictured Jesus as one who would separate the wheat from the chaff, and burn the chaff with unquenchable fire. This was a picture of judgment. The text demands that the fire discussed here is the fire of punishment. The fire of verse 11 is the same as the fire of verses 10 and 12. In verses 10-12, John spoke of fire three times.
The first and last time obviously refer to the fire of punishment. The same has to be true of the fire in verse 11. The context demands it.
It would be a horrible thought to be baptized (immersed) in fire. John was warning the Pharisees and Sadducees that Jesus would do this to those who did not bring forth good fruit.
John also mentioned that Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit. To be immersed with the Spirit would be to receive abundant and overwhelming spiritual gifts miraculously and ability to do the miracles. John was indefinite as to who Jesus would baptize with the Holy Spirit.
Some in the audiance would be immersed with fire because of their failure to bring forth good fruit. John's audience was mixed. Some would receive the baptism of fire; others would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. John was not out to identify who specifically would receive which baptism, he was saying that Jesus could and would administer two different baptisms that he could not.
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