religion

[tourists24]

Why do you say the purpose of your church should be leading people to salvation?

Are you suggesting that you determine who needs salvation and who doesn’t?

I’ve heard my church leaders say similar type of doctrine and it seems a bit cringe to me. As if they know, or we will know the heart condition of any person on the planet. I believe deeply that only God knows the heart of the person every person and I do believe religious texts, supports that ideology.

No person can know for sure if someone else has made the choice in their heart, but I feel it should be our mission to share the message of salvation to others as part of our ministries. I feel the church's responsibility is to teach and prepare it's individuals to seek and live for Christ themselves and then to spread that word to others with the hopes of leading them to the same salvation. It's why we travel across the world to spread this message to others and build churches.

I don't suggest that I determine who needs salvation, but I am suggesting that if people are looking for answers and guidance, that we should be there to help give it to them through our knowledge. I would try to compare it somewhat to when you help addicts find a pathway out of addiction. You can't make someone kick a habit unless they are wanting a way out for themselves. We don't judge who needs saving, but we do hope to give people who are searching for a way that guidance

 

[Pee Bottle]

Why do you say the purpose of your church should be leading people to salvation?

Are you suggesting that you determine who needs salvation and who doesn’t?

I’ve heard my church leaders say similar type of doctrine and it seems a bit cringe to me. As if they know, or we will know the heart condition of any person on the planet. I believe deeply that only God knows the heart of the person every person and I do believe religious texts, supports that ideology.

I disagree. I think there is likely a primary way of salvation. I think it is ideally both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox both in communion once again, and if they managed to reunite I would convert immediately.

 

[Integrity]

I disagree. I think there is likely a primary way of salvation. I think it is ideally both the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox both in communion once again, and if they managed to reunite I would convert immediately.

Is it for man to determine who is saved or does God determine how we saved?

 

[Integrity]

No person can know for sure if someone else has made the choice in their heart, but I feel it should be our mission to share the message of salvation to others as part of our ministries. I feel the church's responsibility is to teach and prepare it's individuals to seek and live for Christ themselves and then to spread that word to others with the hopes of leading them to the same salvation. It's why we travel across the world to spread this message to others and build churches.

I don't suggest that I determine who needs salvation, but I am suggesting that if people are looking for answers and guidance, that we should be there to help give it to them through our knowledge. I would try to compare it somewhat to when you help addicts find a pathway out of addiction. You can't make someone kick a habit unless they are wanting a way out for themselves. We don't judge who needs saving, but we do hope to give people who are searching for a way that guidance

I think of the church the local church that is as more of a hospital for sick spiritually sick that is, perhaps a beacon for those in the storms of life to come to to find what they’re looking for to find God perhaps. I don’t believe the local church is responsibility or purpose is to go into a society and judge them as needing their brand of religion.

I believe in the attraction of God by the love we have for each other as displayed in the local church is what draws people into the church into the hope, and love and salvation that they see that they need by God‘s prevenient movement in their hearts.

The Good News of God’s love for the world generally and God’s love for them personally and specifically.

 

[tourists24]

I think of the church the local church that is as more of a hospital for sick spiritually sick that is, perhaps a beacon for those in the storms of life to come to to find what they’re looking for to find God perhaps. I don’t believe the local church is responsibility or purpose is to go into a society and judge them as needing their brand of religion.

I believe in the attraction of God by the love we have for each other as displayed in the local church is what draws people into the church into the hope, and love and salvation that they see that they need by God‘s prevenient movement in their hearts.

The Good News of God’s love for the world generally and God’s love for them personally and specifically.

I think we do have a differing view as to what role our church should be playing, but ultimately if both can work to help people find their way, then I find it hard to argue about.

 

[tourists24]

I don’t believe the local church is responsibility or purpose is to go into a society and judge them as needing their brand of religion.

I don't view it as we are going out into society and judging them. We are simply taking our faith outward to the world to spread the word. It's not to spread religion, it's to teach Christ's offering; much the same way you view your church mission to be a place people can come to you for help of their spiritually sickness.

 

[vantexan]

I think we do have a differing view as to what role our church should be playing, but ultimately if both can work to help people find their way, then I find it hard to argue about.

I can find plenty to argue about. He rejects portions of the Bible he disagrees with. He claims to directly converse with God. Not pray to God but directly speak to and be spoken by God back to him. He advocates for certain groups as being ok when the Bible says clearly they are sinning. Has said he wouldn't try to stop someone from harming another because nothing happens that God didn't want to happen. That nothing, absolutely nothing, as he puts it, happens by mistake. So doesn't believe in man's free will. It's nice to talk about our spiritual journey but the thing about journeys is one can be led astray either intentionally by those with an agenda or mistakenly by the sincerely wrong. Our ultimate guide on our journey is the Bible, not smooth talkers with agendas.

 

[tourists24]

I can find plenty to argue about. He rejects portions of the Bible he disagrees with. He claims to directly converse with God. Not pray to God but directly speak to and be spoken by God back to him. He advocates for certain groups as being ok when the Bible says clearly they are sinning. Has said he wouldn't try to stop someone from harming another because nothing happens that God didn't want to happen. That nothing, absolutely nothing, as he puts it, happens by mistake. So doesn't believe in man's free will. It's nice to talk about our spiritual journey but the thing about journeys is one can be led astray either intentionally by those with an agenda or mistakenly by the sincerely wrong. Our ultimate guide on our journey is the Bible, not smooth talkers with agendas.

and the arguments there are valid ones to talk about. I too have issue with his personal beliefs that you stated above.

In this case we were speaking more as to what role a church plays into matters. From my end I'm not nearly as concerned as the method a church decides to take as long as it's primary goal is to help people find their way to Christ's gift of salvation. If it strays away from that primary goal, then I will steer clear and will not support it.

 

[Integrity]

I can find plenty to argue about. He rejects portions of the Bible he disagrees with. He claims to directly converse with God. Not pray to God but directly speak to and be spoken by God back to him. He advocates for certain groups as being ok when the Bible says clearly they are sinning. Has said he wouldn't try to stop someone from harming another because nothing happens that God didn't want to happen. That nothing, absolutely nothing, as he puts it, happens by mistake. So doesn't believe in man's free will. It's nice to talk about our spiritual journey but the thing about journeys is one can be led astray either intentionally by those with an agenda or mistakenly by the sincerely wrong. Our ultimate guide on our journey is the Bible, not smooth talkers with agendas.

Do you view praying as talking to God?

 

[Integrity]

and the arguments there are valid ones to talk about. I too have issue with his personal beliefs that you stated above.

In this case we were speaking more as to what role a church plays into matters. From my end I'm not nearly as concerned as the method a church decides to take as long as it's primary goal is to help people find their way to Christ's gift of salvation. If it strays away from that primary goal, then I will steer clear and will not support it.

Specifically, which of his arguments do you agree with?
You can start with one.
How about this?
Do you view praying to be talking to God as I do?

 

[Pee Bottle]

Is it for man to determine who is saved or does God determine how we saved?

No, but it is for a Godman who established a single church as the primary means of salvation.

 

[Integrity]

No, but it is for a Godman who established a single church as the primary means of salvation.

Yes, Jesus fully God and fully man!

Yes My belief and Faith is in that one Church, the invisible, spiritual one.

 

[vantexan]

Do you view praying as talking to God?

I do. But he doesn't reply directly to me.

 

[Integrity]

I do. But he doesn't reply directly to me.

So you’re with me talking to God?

 

[Pee Bottle]

Praying is lifting your heart and mind to God.

 

[Pee Bottle]

Faith isn’t an emotional thing. It’s achieved through reason. I’ve never felt God directly speak to me, but I can see God in my life.

 

[tourists24]

Specifically, which of his arguments do you agree with?
You can start with one.
How about this?
Do you view praying to be talking to God as I do?

I do believe we view it in differing ways. I'm not sure how to describe the how but I will try. I do pray to God but I don't feel I get a vocal response from Him the way you do (if I got this wrong, apologies). I pray to Him and ask for putting it on my heart to guide my daily life to serve the purpose He wants me to do. Sometimes I feel His guidance and sometimes I don't feel like I get an immediate response, so I still move forward with life trying to do my best. I bring my problems and wishes and lay them at His feet.
I also use the bible/pastor/ brothers in Christ as a reference for how to live my life in a way that pleases/glorifies Him. It may not be my place to judge others, but it is important to me to try to determine what the bible teaches as good and what is sin, and try to live my life accordingly.

 

[Integrity]

Faith isn’t an emotional thing. It’s achieved through reason. I’ve never felt God directly speak to me, but I can see God in my life.

Do you believe you must see within the logic of your mind or with your eyes to believe?

 

[Box Ox]

Faith isn’t an emotional thing. It’s achieved through reason. I’ve never felt God directly speak to me, but I can see God in my life.

Do you believe you must see within the logic of your mind or with your eyes to believe?

Things in his life are probably things he sees with his eyes.

 

[oldngray]

Faith isn’t an emotional thing. It’s achieved through reason. I’ve never felt God directly speak to me, but I can see God in my life.

Heb_11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.