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Doublestandards

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And yet you didn't quote King making statements supportive of socialism.
In 1952 a 23-year-old Martin Luther King Jr. wrote a love letter to Coretta Scott. Along with coos of affection and apologies for his hasty handwriting, he described his feelings not just toward his future wife, but also toward America’s economic system. “I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic,” he admitted to his then-girlfriend, concluding that “capitalism has outlived its usefulness.”

Capitalism “has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes,” King wrote in his 1952 letter to Scott. He would echo the sentiment 15 years later in his last book, Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?: “Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty [and] has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.”


In his famous 1967 Riverside Church speech, King thundered, “When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

nd in an interview with the New York Timesin 1968, King described his work with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) this way, “In a sense, you could say we are engaged in the class struggle.”

Speaking at a staff retreat of the SCLC in 1966, King said that “something is wrong … with capitalism” and “there must be a better distribution of wealth” in the country. “Maybe,” he suggested, “America must move toward a democratic socialism.”

In Where Do We Go From Here, which calls for “the full emancipation and equality of Negroes and the poor,” King advocates policies in line with a democratic socialist program: a guaranteed annual income, constitutional amendments to secure social and economic equality, and greatly expanded public housing. He endorses the Freedom Budget put forward by socialist activist A. Philip Randolph, which included such policies as a jobs guarantee, a living wage and universal healthcare. He also outlines how economic inequality can circumscribe civil rights. While the wealthy enjoy easy access to lawyers and the courts, “the poor, however, are helpless,” he writes.

 

vantexan

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In 1952 a 23-year-old Martin Luther King Jr. wrote a love letter to Coretta Scott. Along with coos of affection and apologies for his hasty handwriting, he described his feelings not just toward his future wife, but also toward America’s economic system. “I am much more socialistic in my economic theory than capitalistic,” he admitted to his then-girlfriend, concluding that “capitalism has outlived its usefulness.”

Capitalism “has brought about a system that takes necessities from the masses to give luxuries to the classes,” King wrote in his 1952 letter to Scott. He would echo the sentiment 15 years later in his last book, Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community?: “Capitalism has often left a gap of superfluous wealth and abject poverty [and] has created conditions permitting necessities to be taken from the many to give luxuries to the few.”


In his famous 1967 Riverside Church speech, King thundered, “When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism and militarism are incapable of being conquered.”

nd in an interview with the New York Timesin 1968, King described his work with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) this way, “In a sense, you could say we are engaged in the class struggle.”

Speaking at a staff retreat of the SCLC in 1966, King said that “something is wrong … with capitalism” and “there must be a better distribution of wealth” in the country. “Maybe,” he suggested, “America must move toward a democratic socialism.”

In Where Do We Go From Here, which calls for “the full emancipation and equality of Negroes and the poor,” King advocates policies in line with a democratic socialist program: a guaranteed annual income, constitutional amendments to secure social and economic equality, and greatly expanded public housing. He endorses the Freedom Budget put forward by socialist activist A. Philip Randolph, which included such policies as a jobs guarantee, a living wage and universal healthcare. He also outlines how economic inequality can circumscribe civil rights. While the wealthy enjoy easy access to lawyers and the courts, “the poor, however, are helpless,” he writes.

Thanks for articulating what @rickyb is incapable of.
 

Doublestandards

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@vantexan since you’re a bit of a history buff, I was wondering if you could help me understand why exactly Jewish people have been so hated throughout history? Whether it be the Muslims, or the nazis, or conspiracy theorists in America, it seems like Jewish people are always victims of being the villains

I’ve looked into it before and one big answer I always get is how they were allowed to loan money while Christian’s weren’t, and it created a lot of stereotypes and hate, but surely there has to be more to it than that?
 

vantexan

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@vantexan since you’re a bit of a history buff, I was wondering if you could help me understand why exactly Jewish people have been so hated throughout history? Whether it be the Muslims, or the nazis, or conspiracy theorists in America, it seems like Jewish people are always victims of being the villains

I’ve looked into it before and one big answer I always get is how they were allowed to loan money while Christian’s weren’t, and it created a lot of stereotypes and hate, but surely there has to be more to it than that?
The loaning of money was a big part of it but also the refusal to accept Jesus as the Messiah made them easy scapegoats for demagogues. Any group that has a stigma attached to it is an easy target. I was interested in countries on the old Silk Road that were part of the Soviet Union and at one time were mostly Muslim. Saw for myself that most people in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan today aren't practicing Muslims, it's just their heritage. Yet people here have told me you can't trust them, they're all this or that. Look at Ricky and Israel. He demonizes all Israelis just because he's been told to. We have whites who hate and fear all blacks and vice versa. So are Jews hated? As long as people whisper to others that they are this or that then they will be hated.
 

Doublestandards

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The loaning of money was a big part of it but also the refusal to accept Jesus as the Messiah made them easy scapegoats for demagogues. Any group that has a stigma attached to it is an easy target. I was interested in countries on the old Silk Road that were part of the Soviet Union and at one time were mostly Muslim. Saw for myself that most people in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan today aren't practicing Muslims, it's just their heritage. Yet people here have told me you can't trust them, they're all this or that. Look at Ricky and Israel. He demonizes all Israelis just because he's been told to. We have whites who hate and fear all blacks and vice versa. So are Jews hated? As long as people whisper to others that they are this or that then they will be hated.
Do you think that was the same idea with Hitler, that Jews were more an easy scapegoat to rile up his base, or did he have real feelings towards them? And did the German people generally have those feelings towards them as well and that made hitlers rise easy, or did Hitler use Jews as an exscuse for Germany's problems? Hitler described himself as Christian, so that would make sense what you’re saying about Jews not accepting Christ and being easy scapegoats, but I can’t imagine Hitler truly believed that?

If this is too complicated an answer for a reply, I’d be interested if you have any sources you recommend
 

vantexan

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Do you think that was the same idea with Hitler, that Jews were more an easy scapegoat to rile up his base, or did he have real feelings towards them? And did the German people generally have those feelings towards them as well and that made hitlers rise easy, or did Hitler use Jews as an exscuse for Germany's problems? Hitler described himself as Christian, so that would make sense what you’re saying about Jews not accepting Christ and being easy scapegoats, but I can’t imagine Hitler truly believed that?

If this is too complicated an answer for a reply, I’d be interested if you have any sources you recommend
One of Hitler's grandparents was Jewish. The Germans didn't suddenly become antisemitic because of Hitler. Antisemitism was common in Europe for centuries. So it was easy for Hitler to put the blame for Germany's post WWI problems on the Jews. And Hitler may have claimed to be a Christian but what he did was anything but. And his regime jailed and even executed clergymen who stood against the Nazi's.
 

rickyb

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Happy mlk jr day
 

vantexan

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Literally everything is viewed by white liberals through the prism of race. It's sad that they try to turn the Gospel of Jesus Christ into a weapon of identity politics.
 

rickyb

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Literally everything is viewed by white liberals through the prism of race. It's sad that they try to turn the Gospel of Jesus Christ into a weapon of identity politics.
Hes not a liberal lol which he mentions in the article

Neither was jesus

It sucks christianity got coopted over the years
 

oldngray

nowhere special
He's absolutely a far Left liberal.
Few of the really far left consider themselves as liberals. Most will try to claim they are moderates. Which is either a reflection of the people they surround themselves with or they are living in a bubble that is detached from reality.
 

tourists24

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Hes not a liberal lol which he mentions in the article

Neither was jesus

It sucks christianity got coopted over the years
It sucks Christianity is not used for it's main biblical purpose; to turn to Jesus and give your life to Him and to use you as a vessel to bring others to Christ.
 
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