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Pullman Brown

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Can you tell me why when Europeans arrived in America they didn't encounter Christians? Why are billions Hindu, Muslim, or Buddhists? Jesus said no man comes to his Father except through him. They didn't have the Bible. Why didn't Jesus reveal himself to these people? Are there any.known examples of Jesus revealing himself to them but they rejected him? Or could it be that the Bible is in limited distribution throughout.those lands?
And yet even though they didn’t have Bibles they still were held accountable:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Romans 1

Paul says that the revelation of the only existing God is so clearly imprinted upon man himself and upon his environment that no matter how hard he tries he cannot suppress this fact. As psychologically active self-conscious creatures they must see something of the truth. They hold down the truth, to be sure, but it is the truth that they hold down.”

Van Till

They know the holiness and justice of the living and true God well enough that they are guilty for not worshiping Him aright in any area of their lives; thus God’s wrath is revealed from heaven ‘against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men’ (1:18).”

Greg Bahsen
 

tourists24

Well-Known Member
My human nature tells me getting rid of the Bible as the blueprint would be a lot easier for me.

But my human nature also tells me skipping dinner and having dessert would also be pretty sweet!

Ultimately, it’s a good way to be very unhealthy and die on both accounts.
It sure would’ve been convenient/dangerous for me in my teenage and Army years if I could’ve felt justified the life of boozing and women I was doing
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
And yet even though they didn’t have Bibles they still were held accountable:

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.

20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,

23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.

24 Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves,

25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. Romans 1

Paul says that the revelation of the only existing God is so clearly imprinted upon man himself and upon his environment that no matter how hard he tries he cannot suppress this fact. As psychologically active self-conscious creatures they must see something of the truth. They hold down the truth, to be sure, but it is the truth that they hold down.”

Van Till

They know the holiness and justice of the living and true God well enough that they are guilty for not worshiping Him aright in any area of their lives; thus God’s wrath is revealed from heaven ‘against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men’ (1:18).”

Greg Bahsen
And yet they won't be saved without hearing the word, believing.it, obeying it, repenting of our sins, confessing that Jesus is the Son of God, and being baptized. But Integrity says all they need is to embrace God and Jesus who reveal themselves to us and directly dialogue with us. No Bible needed. And yet there are billions who have never heard the Gospel and it doesn't appear that God is doing for them what @Integrity claims he has for him.
 
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Integrity

Binge Poster
You've said repeatedly that the all powerful God isn't limited by a book and that we don't need the Bible to know God. So why hasn't he revealed himself, his son, and his plan of salvation to these billions of.people?
Ask him not me. God’s ways are not our ways you know this..
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Ask him not me. God’s ways are not our ways you know this..
You've been saying over and over that we don't need the Bible to know God. And yet there are billions who don't have the Bible and believe in other gods. Unless you're special it seems to me he would be doing the same for them.
 

Pullman Brown

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Binge over for today gotta go guys. Enjoy the rest of your memorial day.

Peace be you!

Integrity: “I can know God or Christ without the Bible”

“You may know about God from nature and conscience, but you cannot truly know Him—nor rightly know Christ—apart from God’s authoritative self-revelation, which is the Bible.”

1. Natural Revelation Is Sufficient to Condemn, Not to Save

Romans 1:18–21 says:
All people know God through what He has made (creation = general revelation).
  • But this knowledge is suppressed in unrighteousness.
  • This makes people “without excuse”—not because they fully know Him salvifically, but because they reject the truth they do see.

“General revelation reveals the true God, but because of sin, this knowledge is distorted, repressed, and morally misused. Without special revelation, people do not know God as Redeemer.”

Bahsen

So while someone can know there is a God, they cannot know who He is, or how to be reconciled to Him, apart from Scripture.

2. Only the Bible Reveals Christ Clearly and Savingly

The name and nature of Christ (John 1, Colossians 1).
The gospel by which we are saved (Romans 10:14–17).
That Jesus is Lord, crucified and risen (1 Corinthians 15).

“Christ cannot be known truly unless He is known through the Scriptures. The Scriptures must therefore be the foundation of all our reasoning”

If you claim to “know Christ” without the Bible, you are likely creating a Christ in your own image—an idol—not the real Christ of Scripture.

3. To Know God Rightly Requires His Own Interpretation of Himself

People can and do talk about “God” apart from the Bible—but which god?

A god of feelings?
A distant “higher power”?
A moral force?

“God’s Word is the standard of truth. All human knowledge must submit to the norm of God’s revelation. To know God truly, we must know Him as He reveals Himself”

John Frame
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
You use the preposition at twice in your reply.

Please identify the subject of the preposition in each instance that you were using a preposition ”it”.

It will be sincerely helpful to me to move forward in engaging discussion with you.
No thanks.
It already been proven. You have no interest in engaging .
 

rickyb

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@rickyb , one of your ministers is in some trouble. You need to set him straight and quit fighting over all that money.
everyone has evil in them

but some have more than others

its kinda common sense whos the mostly bad guys
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
@rickyb , one of your ministers is in some trouble. You need to set him straight and quit fighting over all that money.
im watching a 5 part documentary on the housing bubble which is similar to savings and loans fraud scheme, and they had people going into churches to get information on people to steal their homes

for example one elderly church member had her signature forged and lost her home that way.
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
False teaching...
Useful Bible teaching:


The truth...
The most important question in life is, “What must I do to be saved?” The answer which we give to that question will influence our eternal destiny.
Acts 16:31 is quoted a lot for "faith only" salvation, but out of context, to leave the impression that all that was necessary for the jailer to do to be saved was to believe in Jesus Christ. The answer which Paul gave to the jailer must be understood in its context. When this man asked what he had to do to be saved, he was an unbeliever. The first thing that an unbeliever must do to be saved is to become a believer. Paul’s answer was, “Believe on the Lord Jesus . . . .” the next thing that the text states is that "Paul spake unto him the word of the Lord." This man could NOT become a believer before he Heard the word of the Lord. He had to hear the word of the Lord and believe it before he could be saved.
The jailer was baptized “the same hour of the night” (Acts 16:33)In order to"wash his stripes" (sins) Why was this man baptized in the middle of the night? Why did Paul go to so much trouble to baptize this man immediately? Imagine calling a denominational preacher in the middle of the night and ask him to baptize you for the remission of your sins. Not gonna happen. He would have told you that you were saved the moment he accepted Jesus as his personal Savior (not in the Bible)and that at some convenient time the church would have a baptismal service for you.
The only explanation of why Paul baptized this man in the middle of the night is that it had something to do with his eternal salvation. The question which was asked pertained to eternal salvation; it was, “What must I do to be saved?” The reply was, “Believe on the Lord Jesus ….” When the jailer returned from having been baptized, THEN the Scriptures relate that he rejoiced, “believing in God with all his house” (16:34). His response to the gospel in baptism was understood as what was necessary to make him a believer, one who is a child of God.

He that believes and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believes not shall be damned (Mk. 16:16).
Then Peter said unto them, Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 2:38).
And now why tarriest thou? Arise, and be baptized, and wash away they sins, calling on the name of the Lord (Acts 22:16).
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Pet. 3:21).

These Scriptures harmonize with the conversion of the jailer. He was baptized the same hour of the night in order to be saved, to have his sins washed away
 

BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
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