Seniority Part Timers Employees Got Screwed Again on Tentative contract!!!

[HEFFERNAN]

Disagree and I understand why you would see it that way if you are a driver. You guys got everything you wanted. From my perspective I will vote down any contract that devalues years of service because it does have monetary value. Again it isn’t about the money to me. Where I have a problem is how it is being distributed.

Extremely short sighted.
Just like a driver going through progression, after 4 years you are on equal ground with your fellow brothers and sisters.
If you worked here 20 years PT and think you should make double what a 10 year PT makes, then you are lost.

I couldn't care less if you vote no, because its not going to matter.
When the dust clears, the majority isn't going to vote this down.

 

[Upstigersc]

So don’t vote for it. All your whining here changes nothing.

And all your whining about whiners changes nothing either right? And around and around we go. This is a discussion forum is it not? Again if don’t agree with what I am saying that’s perfectly fine. Formulate a response as to why and let’s talk about it.

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

Sounds like a turnover in the part time workforce is coming. Maybe get some grateful workers instead of whining babies.

Hopefully I can move faster to FT and escape the hub.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Extremely short sighted.
Just like a driver going through progression, after 4 years you are on equal ground with your fellow brothers and sisters.
If you worked here 20 years PT and think you should make double what a 10 year PT makes, then you are lost.

I couldn't care less if you vote no, because its not going to matter.
When the dust clears, the majority isn't going to vote this down.

A 4 year progression is another wage concession. And yes I make twice as much as new PT hires.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Hopefully I can move faster to FT and escape the hub.

FT in the Hub.

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

You can read?

Just three words.

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

FT in the Hub.

They haven’t been honoring the 22.3 positions here. I want to be outside and deliver. Too much gray in the hub. Makes me feel like I’m in jail although it’s not far off, lol.

 

[Upstigersc]

Extremely short sighted.
Just like a driver going through progression, after 4 years you are on equal ground with your fellow brothers and sisters.
If you worked here 20 years PT and think you should make double what a 10 year PT makes, then you are lost.

I couldn't care less if you vote no, because its not going to matter.
When the dust clears, the majority isn't going to vote this down.

How is it short sighted? You can’t compare the drivers pay scale to that of a long term pt worker. They are not even close to being the same. And yes I do value ten years of my life dedicated to UPS as should you. Never did I say I should make double but there should be more of a distinction then this contract proposes. I am curious as to why my stance is short sighted though and would like to hear your take as to why as it pertains to a pt worker.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

A 4 year progression is another wage concession. And yes I make twice as much as new PT hires.

Who cares !!!
Apples and oranges !
I can't believe you actually compared your pay to a newbie sorter when you actually do driver work

 

[Thebrownblob]

Yes you are correct but it is also not being genuine to say this contract isn’t devaluing my years of service when a guy 90 days off the street is making the same as me. IMO the message is we as the union value a new hire or a somewhat new hire the same as someone who has worked 10 years. No matter how you want to argue it that is a simple truth. Years of service has always had a monetary value and now it has even less with this contract. Again I don’t think I should be paid anymore than what the free market determines is fair. I just can’t vote for a contract that devalues my years of service.

Years is services has not alway had a monetary value.smh

 

[HEFFERNAN]

How is it short sighted? You can’t compare the drivers pay scale to that of a long term pt worker. They are not even close to being the same. And yes I do value ten years of my life dedicated to UPS as should you. Never did I say I should make double but there should be more of a distinction then this contract proposes. I am curious as to why my stance is short sighted though and would like to hear your take as to why as it pertains to a pt worker.

I can’t compare the drivers pay scale to that of a long term pt worker ???
THAT"S ALL YOU GUYS DO HERE AT BC

You are trying to class yourself into a position the union doesn't even recognize.
Your seniority matters to job selection and vacation picks, THATS IT !!!
You'll be paid a little more sometimes than a coworker because of which contracts you were working under, BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE CLASSED AND PAID DIFFERENTLY

 

[Upstigersc]

Years is services has not alway had a monetary value.smh

It has longer than it hasn’t. That’s a fact. Look it up. The fact the it didn’t always doesn’t change what it actually is.

 

[Number-Nine]

Extremely short sighted.
Just like a driver going through progression, after 4 years you are on equal ground with your fellow brothers and sisters.
If you worked here 20 years PT and think you should make double what a 10 year PT makes, then you are lost.

I agree with this, HOWEVER

Wouldn't you be annoyed if a Driver with >1 year was making .50c less than top pay? I would

The bar is set low between seniority PTers and new hires. While a bump to $21 sounds great (which its a solid raise), there needs to be a more of a gap that closes during the progression, like with FT

 

[Thebrownblob]

It has longer than it hasn’t. That’s a fact. Look it up. The fact the it didn’t always doesn’t change what it actually is.

So now it hasn’t always been that way? That’s great logic if you’re illogical. clearly, we’re trying to move the ball back to the way. It should’ve been all along ,you keep fighting that change. You’re going to be disappointing a lot because it’s all about you.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

I agree with this, HOWEVER

Wouldn't you be annoyed if a Driver with >1 year was making .50c less than top pay? I would

The bar is set low between seniority PTers and new hires. While a bump to $21 sounds great (which its a solid raise), there needs to be a more of a gap that closes during the progression, like with FT

Why would I be annoyed ?
That means driver pay progression was eliminated and a coworker doing the same job as me is paid accordingly.
You're not really making a good argument here.

 

[Integrity]

So new hires go immediately $21 an hour, an existing employees at $16.20, too? Meaning a jump of $4.80 increased. Seniority Employees get $2.75, it's that equality? Union focused on new hires, and with the possibility of those join the union to get a profit of it. This is not a clear contract, 7.50 an hour increment to the length of the contract. So new hires get what, all those existing employees with 16.20 an hour get what after the first year, they will bump to 21, already. They received bonuses for the last two years on pick season, seniority Part Timers people None! It's this equality?

We Seniority Part Timers Employees, feeling like we working for free all this years, no respect. We skilled employees, getting underpaid, and new hires stepping out unskilled. That's so disrespectful.

This is an insult to our intelligence. There's no Win, Win, Win, Carol!!

This tentative contract sucks again, no equality, only greed, manipulation, and publicity.

I saw unloaders almost passing out on the hub, little fans on their doors, what happens with retirees in this contract? Something is not right. We can't vote Yes, to this crappy contract.

You are entitled to your opinion.

I hope you, in solidarity, accept the will of the majority if the vote doesn’t go you way.

My unsolicited suggestion for someone with strong opinions such as yourself, is to get involved in Union and start to develop relationships with your Local Union Officials.

Could you even get appointed or voted in as a Steward?

This may help you partially understand in reality how Teamsters/UPS union practices work.

 

[nWo]

Everyone is getting at least a $7.50 raise and the starting rate is being bumped up to $21 then it's going up to $23. I think the raises are pretty significant.

 

[Upstigersc]

I can’t compare the drivers pay scale to that of a long term pt worker ???
THAT"S ALL YOU GUYS DO HERE AT BC

You are trying to class yourself into a position the union doesn't even recognize.
Your seniority matters to job selection and vacation picks, THATS IT !!!
You'll be paid a little more sometimes than a coworker because of which contracts you were working under, BUT YOU WILL NEVER BE CLASSED AND PAID DIFFERENTLY

Hey man you are painting with a very wide brush. Not all pt workers think they should make driver pay. I certainly don’t. Your comments about wanting to to be classed differently doesn't make since to the discussion.There has been and always will be people who make significantly more or less pay as a pt worker. Years worked has almost always had a monetary value attached to years worked until this contract. Not having a top pay as a pt worker creates that environment. I am and will continue to be paid different because of years of service. As the pay of the workers varies so much. It isn’t about being classed as something other than being a pt worker. It’s about valuing a ten year worker more than a recently hired worker. This contract has changed that dynamic significantly.

 

[MIX_MASTER_ICE]

I think the point with PT workers is that this current crap contract we are on, UPS had to start significantly raising starting pay due to increased minimum wage raises in many states and the fact that many places like McDonald's were paying more than UPS. So UPS increased starting pay, but left the other PT workers with several years seniority out to dry. The current contract we are finishing should have had some sort of bump in pay for PT'ers like this "longevity raise" that is in place for the new contract. So knowing this, SOB campaigned, particularly near the end of this process, that PT'ers must have increased starting pay and catch up raises for those longer term PT workers who got nothing last contract. So I think most would expect something substantial with the way SOB beat this drum with talk of working through Covid, UPS record profits and PT employees living off food stamps. He REALLY played this up and demanded UPS "pay up" to those employees who produced those record profits for UPS. Then we got this 11th hour deal.......50 cents/5-9 years, $1.00/10-14 years, $1.50/15 years and up "longevity raise." Nice general raise first year of contract $2.75), but .75 cents the second and 3rd year? That is at or less than the second and third year of this current, soon to expire awful contract. IMO, this is pretty lousy considering all the hype surrounding this process.

 

[Upstigersc]

So now it hasn’t always been that way? That’s great logic if you’re illogical. clearly, we’re trying to move the ball back to the way. It should’ve been all along ,you keep fighting that change. You’re going to be disappointing a lot because it’s all about you.

Clearly you choose to ignore the fact that it has been the way it is way longer than it hasn’t. It’s what ever fits your argue right. I have noticed you kind of pick and choose what fits your narrative. Trying to say each individual does not try to look out for their own best interest in a job setting is naive and kidding yourself.