Seniority Part Timers Employees Got Screwed Again on Tentative contract!!!

[Thebrownblob]

Clearly you choose to ignore the fact that it has been the way it is way longer than it hasn’t. It’s what ever fits your argue right. I have noticed you kind of pick and choose what fits your narrative. Trying to say each individual does not try to look out for their own best interest in a job setting is naive and kidding yourself.

I don’t pick and choose anything I didn’t negotiate the contract although everything I said about this contract is pretty much been true. I said we would ask all timers get between six and eight dollars over five years and I said the starting wage would be about 20- $21 an hour. These are realities that I live under and you live in a fantasy world you can vote no if you so choose, but have you ever voted no for a contract that has been overwhelmingly approved by the general executive board?

 

[UnionStrong]

It would save UPS a lot of money with the optional check box for PT people "No, I don't want healthcare benefits". But Union won't allow that.

Wrong. It would increase the cost of healthcare for all the other workers.

 

[Arizax2]

Nobody in UPS can go to the boss and ask for a raise except Carol (going to board of directors).

Not true. Management can, especially those that take advantage of the free schooling and ends up getting a degree.

 

[anonymous23456]

Not true. Management can, especially those that take advantage of the free schooling and ends up getting a degree.

It doesn't matter. You can get a PhD and still working at the same job for the same pay. There isn't any extra money for you. If you want to get paid more, apply for an open job at higher rank. It is not a given because you will have to compete with other people for that job via interview.

 

[FeederDriverIL]

@FeederDriverIL your an idiot

Oh, the irony.

 

[Arizax2]

It doesn't matter. You can get a PhD and still working at the same job for the same pay. There isn't any extra money for you. If you want to get paid more, apply for an open job at higher rank. It is not a given because you will have to compete with other people for that job via interview.

I understand that. But the fact is you can still get a raise by staying at the same job. You just have to justify it, give your manager some talking point in why you deserve it so he can convince the DM to sign off on it. It happens more often than you think it's just people don't know how to word it correctly or has a ty relationship with their boss. You have to give your boss a reason other than "give me more". Its not a garentee but it's possible especially if the sup is on the lower end of the pay scale.

 

[anonymous23456]

I understand that. But the fact is you can still get a raise by staying at the same job. You just have to justify it, give your manager some talking point in why you deserve it so he can convince the DM to sign off on it. It happens more often than you think it's just people don't know how to word it correctly or has a ty relationship with their boss. You have to give your boss a reason other than "give me more". Its not a garentee but it's possible especially if the sup is on the lower end of the pay scale.

This kind of thing can only happen at high tech companies. It doesn't happen in "old transportation/logistics industry" like UPS.

 

[Arizax2]

This kind of thing can only happen at high tech companies. It doesn't happen in "old transportation/logistics industry" like UPS.

But it does happen in UPS....it's factual. It's not broadcasted, you just have to ask. There's a reason why folks with no degrees start so low on the pay scale. Once u get your degree you have a reason to give them for a pay adjustment. It's literally a couple of clicks the manager has to do on Workday for the pay increase which gets submitted to the DM to approve or deny. They changed the process years ago to make it that much easier. Folks just got to open their mouth and ask.

 

[anonymous23456]

But it does happen in UPS....it's factual. It's not broadcasted, you just have to ask. There's a reason why folks with no degrees start so low on the pay scale. Once u get your degree you have a reason to give them for a pay adjustment. It's literally a couple of clicks the manager has to do on Workday for the pay increase which gets submitted to the DM to approve or deny. They changed the process years ago to make it that much easier. Folks just got to open their mouth and ask.

Are you sure it is UPS? I don't want to say much but you know there are "pay bands" for professional jobs at UPS right? You get into a band when you are hired for a professional job at UPS. Maybe there is something that I don't know that I should know?

 

[Upstigersc]

I don’t pick and choose anything I didn’t negotiate the contract although everything I said about this contract is pretty much been true. I said we would ask all timers get between six and eight dollars over five years and I said the starting wage would be about 20- $21 an hour. These are realities that I live under and you live in a fantasy world you can vote no if you so choose, but have you ever voted no for a contract that has been overwhelmingly approved by the general executive board?

How would you say I live in a fantasy world. I pretty clearly stated my reasoning for voting no repeated. Nothing I have said about a pt pay scale has been fantasy it’s pretty much facts. Not to mention you offered zero reason as to why you feel differently.

 

[specter208]

All I need to know is how the raise is applied for PT in seniority.
Currently I'm at 17.85.
I WANT to read it as: $21 base + $2.75 general + $1.50.
What I think it's actually saying is: $21 + $1.50 since the $21 rate would be slightly more than what my rate would be with the general raise.

The Roswell Hub guy said it will be either $21 or the 2.75$, whichever is greater. Plus the $1.50 will depend on seniority.

 

[Upstigersc]

I agree with this, HOWEVER

Wouldn't you be annoyed if a Driver with >1 year was making .50c less than top pay? I would

The bar is set low between seniority PTers and new hires. While a bump to $21 sounds great (which its a solid raise), there needs to be a more of a gap that closes during the progression, like with FT

Thank you finally someone with some common since.

 

[Thebrownblob]

How would you say I live in a fantasy world. I pretty clearly stated my reasoning for voting no repeated. Nothing I have said about a pt

pay scale has been fantasy it’s pretty much facts. Not to mention you offered zero reason as to why you feel differently.

I offered every reason, you’re angry that someone working next to you is making the same amount as you or apparently slightly less, you’re a hypocrite. It’s OK it seems like you’re comfortable in that role.

 

[Arizax2]

Are you sure it is UPS? I don't want to say much but you know there are "pay bands" for professional jobs at UPS right? You get into a band when you are hired for a professional job at UPS. Maybe there is something that I don't know that I should know?

Yes there are pay bands. Unless you max out your pay band there is room for a raise. If your "compo ratio" is less than 115% it is easier to get u a bump. Since the whole paymix structure has changed the compo ratio is pretty much useless at this point but since the contract is over I'm sure they will redefine the pay band.

I belive PT Sups Do not apply to this but for FT and above it does.

 

[Upstigersc]

I offered every reason, you’re angry that someone working next to you is making the same amount as you or apparently slightly less, you’re a hypocrite. It’s OK it seems like you’re comfortable in that role.

No you have offered zero reason why someone with significant years of service should except a contract that devalues that. All you and others have offered is oh well that’s what they do for the drivers. This argument totally ignores the fact that drivers and pt workers pay scale operates very differently.

 

[Thebrownblob]

No you have offered zero reason why someone with significant years of service should except a contract that devalues that. All you and others have offered is oh well that’s what they do for the drivers. This argument totally ignores the fact that drivers and pt workers pay scale operates very differently.

Let me help you understand what your feeble mind is incapable of by one picture….

The old way of doing things is over, do you understand what changing the game means? we have to move the ball forward. We have to adjust pay so that we can attract new employees and new members your. Sorry you can’t read or understand.

 

[UnionStrong]

Let me help you understand what your feeble mind is incapable of by one picture….

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The old way of doing things is over, do you understand what changing the game means? we have to move the ball forward. We have to adjust pay so that we can attract new employees and new members your. Sorry you can’t read or understand.

But he’s uncapped!

 

[Thebrownblob]

But he’s uncapped!

It blows my mind that people who have complained about the way part-timers are paid, and how much animosity has created.
Are also complaining when someone tries to right size the ship. It’s not perfect but it’s a great first step Rome was not built in a day.
This is a huge win for labor, everywhere, moving part time wages up six dollars an hour.

 

[SpicyItalian739]

It blows my mind that people who have complained about the way part-timers are paid, and how much animosity has created.
Are also complaining when someone tries to right size the ship. It’s not perfect but it’s a great first step Rome was not built in a day.
This is a huge win for labor, everywhere, moving part time wages up six dollars an hour.

Right? I’m 23 years PT and this is the biggest raise I’ve ever gotten by far. Who cares if new workers make closer to what I make now? That doesn’t diminish my purchasing power. Anybody who complains about their union brothers making more money is a .

Also, even if they make the same this year, seniority part timers will get a bigger GWI raise every year of the contract over a new higher, so they’ll be higher at the end of the contract. It’s a nonsense argument.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Right? I’m 23 years PT and this is the biggest raise I’ve ever gotten by far. Who cares if new workers make closer to what I make now? That doesn’t diminish my purchasing power. Anybody who complains about their union brothers making more money is a .

Also, even if they make the same this year, seniority part timers will get a bigger GWI raise every year of the contract over a new higher, so they’ll be higher at the end of the contract. It’s a nonsense argument.

Very well stated