Seniority Part Timers Employees Got Screwed Again on Tentative contract!!!

[Upstigersc]

Let me help you understand what your feeble mind is incapable of by one picture….

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The old way of doing things is over, do you understand what changing the game means? we have to move the ball forward. We have to adjust pay so that we can attract new employees and new members your. Sorry you can’t read or understand.

Oh I can read just fine. The “new” way of doing things is exactly why I am voting no. The “new” way of doing things is to piss on tenured workers only to devalue their time with the company solely to bring in more new members to pay more dues. It has nothing to due with moving labor wages forward you liberal idiot. Why should anyone care about an idiot talking point of moving labor wages forward. If it doesn’t effect me personally or my family I could care less about some union bulletin board material because that’s all that bs is.Your idea of righting the ship by stepping on those who played a part of making those record profits possible is laughable at best. Again you have offered nothing of substance to refute anything I have said. I really feel sorry for you if you believe that is a good business practice.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Oh I can read just fine. The “new” way of doing things is exactly why I am voting no. The “new” way of doing things is to piss on tenured workers only to devalue their time with the company solely to bring in more new members to pay more dues. It has nothing to due with moving labor wages forward you liberal idiot. Why should anyone care about an idiot talking point of moving labor wages forward. If it doesn’t effect me personally or my family I could care less about some union bulletin board material because that’s all that bs is.Your idea of righting the ship by stepping on those who played a part of making those record profits possible is laughable at best. Again you have offered nothing of substance to refute anything I have said. I really feel sorry for you if you believe that is a good business practice.

Our union trying to right size “everyone” and try to get back to the way it should be is bad business practice? Well then good because the union is more than a business. That’s the kind of union we’ve had for the past 25 years and thankfully your kind of thinking is going to go away soon.

 

[Upstigersc]

Right? I’m 23 years PT and this is the biggest raise I’ve ever gotten by far. Who cares if new workers make closer to what I make now? That doesn’t diminish my purchasing power. Anybody who complains about their union brothers making more money is a .

Also, even if they make the same this year, seniority part timers will get a bigger GWI raise every year of the contract over a new higher, so they’ll be higher at the end of the contract. It’s a nonsense argument.

That’s easy for you to say.There will always be a gap in pay between you and a new hire. A substantial one at that. How would you feel if they were making the same as you? Or better yet how would you feel if they could put their vacation in the same time as you? I have no problem with new hires getting more money. I don’t agree about the rate and progression that they get it. Especially when a ten year guys is almost equal to a new hire. The fact that anyone would argue that is right blows my mind.

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s easy for you to say.There will always be a gap in pay between you and a new hire. A substantial one at that. How would you feel if they were making the same as you? Or better yet how would you feel if they could put their vacation in the same time as you? I have no problem with new hires getting more money. I don’t agree about the rate and progression that they get it. Especially when a ten year guys is almost equal to a new hire. The fact that anyone would argue that is right blows my mind.

I think I told you, unlike you a selfish bastard he would be fine with it. No different than I would be if they got rid of progression for drivers. And a three day driver made the same as me and they do after four years and I’m fine with that too. That’s what being union is supposed to be.

 

[Upstigersc]

Our union trying to right size “everyone” and try to get back to the way it should be is bad business practice? Well then good because the union is more than a business. That’s the kind of union we’ve had for the past 25 years and thankfully your kind of thinking is going to go away soon.

I would say my line of thinking is more in line from a workers point of view than yours. How can taking care of tenured works before new hires be considered a bad thing? At this point you have got to be trolling. How is right sizing me from your perspective? I literally have been asking this point since yesterday and all you have offered is well nothing.

 

[Upstigersc]

I think I told you, unlike you a selfish bastard he would be fine with it. No different than I would be if they got rid of progression for drivers. And a three day driver made the same as me and they do after four years and I’m fine with that too. That’s what being union is supposed to be.

So it is selfish to look after you and your families best interests? Thats ludicrous to even propose such a stupid comment. If you are such a generous person how about you click on the donate my paycheck to the charity of your choice button. Don’t be an idiot.

 

[Thebrownblob]

So it is selfish to look after you and your families best interests? Thats ludicrous to even propose such a stupid comment. If you are such a generous person how about you click on the donate my paycheck to the charity of your choice button. Don’t be an idiot.

Last I checked union members are supposed to look out for each other. Even those that haven’t been born yet. You’re only worried about you. You’re actually angry that someone is going to make similar money. Like @SpicyItalian739 send them bring brought up close to his wages does not affect him in the least and he’s happy about it.

 

[SpicyItalian739]

That’s easy for you to say.There will always be a gap in pay between you and a new hire. A substantial one at that. How would you feel if they were making the same as you? Or better yet how would you feel if they could put their vacation in the same time as you? I have no problem with new hires getting more money. I don’t agree about the rate and progression that they get it. Especially when a ten year guys is almost equal to a new hire. The fact that anyone would argue that is right blows my mind.

Lets me make things crystal clear, I started at $8.50 an hour in 2000. Then starting pay went to $10 an hour and caught up to me, then it went to $15. Now it’s going to $21. It’s always catching up, but because I get GWIs unlike brand new hires, I always pull further ahead again.

Either way, what they’re making never diminishes what I’m making. They’re my union brothers and I wish they all made what I made. I have seniority though so I have a preferred job and get more hours. I chose not to go full time, but I can always count on a solid raise without worrying about what people below and ahead of me are making.

Give it another decade and when you have as many years as me, you might figure it out by then.

 

[oldngray]

Last I checked union members are supposed to look out for each other. Even those that haven’t been born yet. You’re only worried about you. You’re actually angry that someone is going to make similar money.

Once you reach top rate it doesn't matter how long you worked there. Other than seniority for bids and more vacation weeks.

 

[oldngray]

Lets me make things crystal clear, I started at $8.50 an hour in 2000. Then starting pay went to $10 an hour and caught up to me, then it went to $15. Now it’s going to $21. It’s always catching up, but because I get GWIs unlike brand new hires, I always pull further ahead again.

Either way, what they’re making never diminishes what I’m making. They’re my union brothers and I wish they all made what I made. I have seniority though so I have a preferred job and get more hours. I chose not to go full time, but I can always count on a solid raise without worrying about what people below and ahead of me are making.

Give it another decade and when you have as many years as me, you might figure it out by then.

Being in progression sucks but it is what it is.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Once you reach top rate it doesn't matter how long you worked there. Other than seniority for bids and more vacation weeks.

But I’ve been here 31 years. Why don’t I get more money? Wah Wah Wah me me me

 

[Smitty🦺👞]

I have enough responsibilities. It's about equality as they said, there's none.

Agree!! It’s all a political spew and a pack of gum is 3$ so wth did we really achieve? Top rate is great but other than that, it’s pathetic having to grind and scrape by for 4 years not knowing if you will have a job every day because of harassment by management

 

[anonymous23456]

This problem isn't unique to the Union workers. Professional jobs are like that too. The kids today make more money starting than I was. If I hate that, I will have to quit my job every 5 years.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

You are a funny guy. A contrarian in fact. So what you are saying is that you are going to reject the concept of your coming raise right?Based on what you say? Your claim here is non-skilled workers service has no value because anyone can do your job.Drivers and pt warehouse workers are both by definition non skilled labor.Well considering your raise was ballyhooed as a necessity by the union because of the record profit's posted on the backs/service of the workers and as you have stated service has no value then you don’t deserve a raise at all right. It fact why do we get a paycheck at all if our service doesn’t make the company money or have value. What a dumb response. We are a in a service driven industry. I will agree though any idiot can drop a box off at a door step or load/unload sort a box. The concept you fail to grasp again is this simple fact…EVERYONE WONT DO IT. Because of this simple fact you and I get paid/raises/benefits. Thus the service we produce has a value and the years of doing so also has a value. Do you feel that you should forfeit your place in the vacation biding schedule because Timmy new driver performs the same duties as you do? I mean surely you do the same job so why should you be able to put in vacation before Timmy? Your simple minded definition of service value created should mean you disapprove of such a practice right? I think we both know the truth to what your answer is to that question.

I didn't say you or I don't deserve a raise, the difference is that I don't think I deserve any more than the guy working next to me, you feel you do.

 

[HarryWarden]

GTFOH

In my 30 years here, this is the most lucrative contract we've ever had here at UPS.
I've never seen this much money spread out to everybody at once and probably will never see that again.
It's entitled losers like you that will never be satisfied with ANY contract.

We have the greatest non-skilled union jobs in history and you still want a revolution. SMFH
So again, GTFOH and find a "better" place to work

Part timers and full timers were paid the same in the beginning . It just seems a lot to you because they’ve screwed part timers over for 30 years

 

[HarryWarden]

Well said, I agree 100%

Not to sound judgemental, but it appears many are living in the world of handouts and laziness. Freaking sad.

Imagine calling wanting to be paid fairly for physical labor a handout

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Imagine calling wanting to be paid fairly for physical labor a handout

Paid fairly relative to what?

 

[Thebrownblob]

Imagine calling wanting to be paid fairly for physical labor a handout

Imagine ranting for over a month about equal pay for equal work, and then being upset that you’re not getting paid more than someone doing the same job as you? Your argument would be a lot more honest if you were asking for $25 an hour for “everyone” part time or something similar as it stands you just sound selfish and hypocritical now.

 

[HarryWarden]

Imagine ranting for over a month about equal pay for equal work, and then being upset that you’re not getting paid more than someone doing the same job as you? Your argument would be a lot more honest if you were asking for $25 an hour for “everyone” part time or something similar as it stands you just sound selfish and hypocritical now.

So you don’t believe in yearly raises? Do you not understand the difference between me saying “equal pay for equal work” is me saying me and the 22.3 guy next to me who has been here the same many years I have gets $15 more an hour while I’m in overtime for doing the same job

I started at $8.50, worked to $10 and they raised starting wage to $10, same happened when I got to $15 and now same happened to $21.

Then SOB is going around and saying “it’s time we take care of the long term part timers” and I end up getting $1… that $1 I got back in the day for becoming pick off certified, which they took away once they rose starting wage to my wage again

 

[Thebrownblob]

So you don’t believe in yearly raises? Do you not understand the difference between me saying “equal pay for equal work” is me saying me and the 22.3 guy next to me who has been here the same many years I have gets $15 more an hour while I’m in overtime for doing the same job

I started at $8.50, worked to $10 and they raised starting wage to $10, same happened when I got to $15 and now same happened to $21.

Then SOB is going around and saying “it’s time we take care of the long term part timers” and I end up getting $1… that $1 I got back in the day for becoming pick off certified, which they took away once they rose starting wage to my wage again

Everyone making the same rate get a raise. What is your point?
You’re simply angry that you started at a lower rate, but so did I and I’m not angry that a driver with 4 years makes the exact same rate I do. You don’t want to fix the problem, you want to perpetuate it.

The 22.3 is a different classification we’ve already been over that. If you want their wages go 22.3.

You’re not going to get $35 an hour sorry it was never on the table. But your insistence that you make more than someone who does the same job with you chose me you are only a hypocrite like the rest of these whiny baby partimers.

O’Brien did trying to soften the blow, but it wasn’t necessary. I’m sure he was well aware that would be Measters who would be complaining.