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El Correcto

god is dead
Save Iran? When did I say I wanted to "save" Iran.... what does that even me lol.
Lifting sanctions on Iran means they can continue to sponsor Muslim extremist. Funding nuclear deal means giving Muslim extremist who sponsor terrorism a nuclear weapon. I might not want the government to become socialized welfare state, but I do want the government to stop threats abroad, Iran is a threat.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
Lifting sanctions on Iran means they can continue to sponsor Muslim extremist. Funding nuclear deal means giving Muslim extremist who sponsor terrorism a nuclear weapon. I might not want the government to become socialized welfare state, but I do want the government to stop threats abroad, Iran is a threat.
Opposing sanctions is a fundamental Libertarian conservative position.
I never suggested we fund them ttku.

Again, ally with none, trade with all, should be our motto.
We are as much a threat to Iran as they are to us. Unless you believe in preventive war, I don't know what you're even ranting about.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Opposing sanctions is a fundamental Libertarian conservative position.
I never suggested we fund them ttku.

Again, ally with none, trade with all, should be our motto.
We are as much a threat to Iran as they are to us. Unless you believe in preventive war, I don't know what you're even ranting about.
You say you’re libertarian but vote for the same party that is constantly attacking your rights in the name of saving people. Trying to limit freedom of speech, association, religion, private property, guns rights and press.

We wouldn’t be a threat to a democracy that isn’t sponsoring terrorism abroad and at home. You’re one of the types that believes America is a great evil. Even though we are historically the greatest promoters of democracy and individual liberty.
 

DriveInDriveOut

Inordinately Right
You say you’re libertarian but vote for the same party that is constantly attacking your rights in the name of saving people. Trying to limit freedom of speech, association, religion, private property, guns rights and press.
Ultra conservative garbage news has you so worked up that you think anyone who doesn't toe your party line is a Democrat.

Other than what are essentially non-political local official positions, I've never voted for a Democrat. The world is not out to get you man, put down the Kool-Aid and take a deep breath, everything is gonna be okay.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Ultra conservative garbage news has you so worked up that you think anyone who doesn't toe your party line is a Democrat.

Other than what are essentially non-political local official positions, I've never voted for a Democrat. The world is not out to get you man, put down the Kool-Aid and take a deep breath, everything is gonna be okay.
Anyone who doesn’t promote conservatism is wrong.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
Canada recently signed on to a reworked TPP with 11 other countries. Trump backing out of Paris and threatening the Iran deal make the US appear unreliable. If our country is seen as one that goes back on deals every four years no other country will engage with us. They will and are making deals amongst each other and leaving us out. Where the US used to lead we are being sidelined.
That's a good thing!
And the US is not being sidelined ... the US is redoing all the really bad deals enacted by Obama and previous Presidents.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
Lol because funding an Islamic nazi regime is a good deal for the United States, even though they constantly break the deal and are on their way to becoming a nuclear power. That would really help the Middle East having Iranian nukes.

Yeah signing a Paris accord agreement that’s a great idea, we’ll be limiting our production of energy killing jobs, while other countries go about their business breaking the contract.

You’re niave about the other countries in this world. Believe it or not there are governments out there that break agreements and take advantage of niave fools like obama.

None of these are good example of a deal being backed out on. NAFTA would be a better one.
Paris is a worldwide agreement that acknowledges there's a problem and the entire global community agrees to work toward a solution. Now it's the entire global community except the US.

The other option with Iran was what, do nothing? Had no deal been struck they would be a nuclear power right now.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Paris is a worldwide agreement that acknowledges there's a problem and the entire global community agrees to work toward a solution. Now it's the entire global community except the US.

The other option with Iran was what, do nothing? Had no deal been struck they would be a nuclear power right now.
Sorry but China going to cheat and I believe Russia already showed their true colors. As for the niave socialist in Europe thanks for lowering your competitiveness in the global
market.
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Paris is a worldwide agreement that acknowledges there's a problem and the entire global community agrees to work toward a solution. Now it's the entire global community except the US.

The other option with Iran was what, do nothing? Had no deal been struck they would be a nuclear power right now.
No they wouldn’t Iran would crumble under the sanctions the regime was tetering. It’s one good thing bush did. All we are doing is providing the path way to nuclear weapons, we should be providing their leader a path way to hell and their citizens to freedom.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
No they wouldn’t Iran would crumble under the sanctions the regime was tetering. It’s one good thing bush did. All we are doing is providing the path way to nuclear weapons, we should be providing their leader a path way to hell and their citizens to freedom.
Obama increased the sanctions on Iran and got global cooperation in enforcement to give them teeth. That was the leverage for the deal. That was the point of the sanctions. The goal was never to completely destroy the Iranian economy and create another failed state in the Mid-East. That wouldn't help anyone. The fact is the deal is working, that's why nothing has happened after Trump decided not to certify the deal a few months ago.
 

It will be fine

Well-Known Member
Sorry but China going to cheat and I believe Russia already showed their true colors. As for the niave socialist in Europe thanks for lowering your competitiveness in the global
market.
You're missing the entire point of Paris. It's basic diplomacy. How do you think increasing renewable energy production lowers a country's competitiveness? How does a cheap energy source hurt an economy?
 

El Correcto

god is dead
You're missing the entire point of Paris. It's basic diplomacy. How do you think increasing renewable energy production lowers a country's competitiveness? How does a cheap energy source hurt an economy?
Why do we need a treaty saying we are going to use the cheaper more efficient energy source? Because it’s not...
 

El Correcto

god is dead
Obama increased the sanctions on Iran and got global cooperation in enforcement to give them teeth. That was the leverage for the deal. That was the point of the sanctions. The goal was never to completely destroy the Iranian economy and create another failed state in the Mid-East. That wouldn't help anyone. The fact is the deal is working, that's why nothing has happened after Trump decided not to certify the deal a few months ago.
Both the Paris accord and Iran Nuclear deal are unconstitutional. http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...r-deal-unratified-treaties-trump-should-leave
Something Barrack Benito Mussolini Obama never cared about or our ever expanding all consuming federal government.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
chris hedges take:

The Russia investigation—launched when Robert Mueller became special counsel in May and which appears to be focused on money laundering, fraud and shady business practices, things that have always characterized Trump’s financial empire—is unlikely to unseat the president. He will not be impeached for mental incompetence, over the emoluments clause or for obstruction of justice, although he is guilty on all these counts.
 
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