wilberforce15
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I'm indifferent to who wins.
I can say with certain that Russians growing up in Donbass have absolutely no reason to fight for the regime that is committing genocide against them.
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I can say with certain that Russians growing up in Donbass have absolutely no reason to fight for the regime that is committing genocide against them.
El Correcto
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Only 300-500 civilians, those are rookie numbers. Putin probably did triple that in a week shelling civilians indiscriminately.
wilberforce15
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Yes the punch back is usually worse than the punch. That's how fights go. Welcome to earth.
El Correcto
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Okay, Vlad. Whatever you say bud.
I’m sure the Ukrainians will be much better off under Putin influence than the US.
You people are clowns btw.
wilberforce15
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wilberforce15
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So why do you (apparently) support independence and sovereignty for Ukraine but not Donbass?
Ukraine didn't declare independence from Russia. It declared independence from the Soviet Union. Which Russia also did. The Donbas is a region of Ukraine, not a semi independent entity like a Soviet republic. So what we have now is ethnic Russian rebels being supported by an outside country who's interfering with that country's sovereignty.
wilberforce15
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So why do some people get sovereignty and other don't? Donbass has never been recognized as separate. I'm asking why it shouldn't be.
I generally support self-determination and self-government for whoever wants it. Don't you?
If you look at the history you'll know why. The Russians moved Russians all over the Soviet Union to run things. They had the power, they took the wealth. When the Soviet Union collapsed many of those Russians moved back to Russia. Some stayed. As far as the Donbas goes it had much of Ukraine's heavy industry. The Ukrainians are trying to hang on to that. And those separatists forced many ethnic Ukrainians from their homes. It's not like the Ukrainians are being SOB's about it. They've taken a lot of punishment from the Russians over the centuries and they're now saying this is our country, no more. Worth dying for to them. I can see a lot of parallels between them and us kicking out the British. Between them and Latin Americans kicking out the Spanish. They may not win, but I bet they'll make the Russians regret starting this.
Sportello
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Non sequitur
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Peace and prosperity third rail.
Used to have some good journalists on there until us military industrial complex destroyed it
At least u watched abby martin. thats more perspective than @Box Ox gets
Why does nato or putin have to mess around?
Ron paul has always had great forgien policy
You kicked out the british and then became the empire post ww2
Operational needs
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In his own words: Northwest Florida man details treacherous journey to escape Ukraine
Miles from the Polish border, there were thousands of cars as far as the eye could see. On the shoulder, thousands of pedestrians walked after abandoning their cars.
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Sorry you’re so butthurt that most of the western world has shut down Putin’s media outlets that are used for spreading lies about what Russia is doing in Ukraine, comrade.
It’s amazing that you can be such a Putin worshipper and still think you’ve got any sort of moral high ground when making your dumb arguments from your dumb anarcho-communist perspective.
Sportello
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If what ur saying is true then why did chris hedges say russia invading ukraine preemptively is a war crime?
Im sure theres shows on there where they do propaganda for russia same way cnn and abc do propaganda for usa, but the difference is rt actually had some good journalists
Stop giving into ur fear
U r a rigid thinker if ive iver seen 1
El Correcto
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NATO was involved because the sovereign nation of Ukraine determined by their own will that they would like to join NATO, Russia got involved to undermine that country’s democratic will to join NATO, because they were smart and did not trust the evil
ing empire Russia is under a dictator like Putin.You’re just a Ricky who only wants to bash the west, I told your ass for years Russia was no good and now here we are.
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