THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[HarryWarden]

25 documents? All those boxes in 24 locations comprised 25 documents?

i was wrong, it was 25 in first spot, 88 total. Trump had 340

But even if the roles were reversed and Biden had 340 and trump had 88, the documents trump had were much more severe and he lied and obstructed the investigation. And I’m guessing for a reason

 

[Darmark7]

So why do you believe that they decided to charge trump and not Biden or pence?

Are you saying you believe they’re specifically after trump? So the fbi and even trumps appointed Republican special counsel is on it too?

And if you believe this, why? I’ve never gotten a clear answer for why people believe all these witch-hunts against trump

Why trump? Why not any other Republican president before him? Really, what is he doing that would make the fbi and republicans work together to target him? No other Republican president has gone through this

Trump is a freakin real estate tv star from the 80s, who bankrupted himself 6 times and is an attentionwhore who will do anything for a buck. Don’t you think maybe it’s possible he’s just a crook? Wouldn’t that be a little more simple of an answer?

The Republican Presidents before Trump wasn’t a threat to the political system or the 3 letter agencies. There was 1 president (JFK) that said he would tear apart the CIA and scatter them to the wind. He didn’t live long enough to do that. Politicians know you toe the line or you are going to have hell to pay.
Let’s hear it from a Democrat that will explain it to you what happens if you go against them. No conspiracy here just a fact. But If you play by their rules they will say they can‘t verify a laptop that is yours or can‘t Figure out who brought in Coke to the most secure building in the USA.

Chuck Schumer lets the mask drop and admits the intelligence community ruins the lives of presidents who go after it.

 

[vantexan]

So why do you believe that they decided to charge trump and not Biden or pence?

Are you saying you believe they’re specifically after trump? So the fbi and even trumps appointed Republican special counsel is on it too?

And if you believe this, why? I’ve never gotten a clear answer for why people believe all these witch-hunts against trump

Why trump? Why not any other Republican president before him? Really, what is he doing that would make the fbi and republicans work together to target him? No other Republican president has gone through this

Trump is a freakin real estate tv star from the 80s, who bankrupted himself 6 times and is an attentionwhore who will do anything for a buck. Don’t you think maybe it’s possible he’s just a crook? Wouldn’t that be a little more simple of an answer?

You guys claim Trump was nowhere as rich as he claims. But he's a billionaire. Bankrupted himself? No, sought bankruptcy relief for various businesses. Trump used whatever was available legally to protect his company including whatever tax loopholes were available. Y'all can scoff all you want but he personally owns some incredible real estate worth hundreds of millions, is married to an incredibly beautiful former model, and flies around in his own private large jet. And his company controls a lot more. That doesn't make him special or to be respected anymore than others. Just means the smears leveled against him are at least partially wrong. And that he's a lot more successful than most. Wouldn't know it by listening to Democrats. He lives in your head 24/7.

Name one of these prosecutions that couldn't have been brought against him years ago? Why now? Election year. And so far the only thing y'all have gotten him on is a supposed sexual assault that can't be proved. Absolutely no proof other than her word. But tried in NYC which is mostly liberal Democrat. But funny how his poll numbers keep going up and he's attracting a lot of minority support that he didn't have in 2020. People know the system is being used against him. With BS charges.

 

[vantexan]

i was wrong, it was 25 in first spot, 88 total. Trump had 340

But even if the roles were reversed and Biden had 340 and trump had 88, the documents trump had were much more severe and he lied and obstructed the investigation. And I’m guessing for a reason

If Biden's 88 included top secret, secret, or simple classified documents he's guilty of felonies. There's no sliderule for determining prosecution.

 

[vantexan]

25 documents? All those boxes in 24 locations comprised 25 documents? And here's a news flash: if you mishandle top secret documents it's a felony. Biden committed multiple felonies. Make excuses all you want but if our Justice Department doesn't go after everyone who commit felonies, makes exceptions, then we have no justice.

That's 4 locations, not 24.

 

[Darmark7]

I love the people that say Trump is a bad business man and a loser. He is a billionaire so how much of a loser are they?

 

[HarryWarden]

I love the people that say Trump is a bad business man and a loser. He is a billionaire so how much of a loser are they?

He’s not a good businessman. A good businessman doesn’t bankrupt a casino

Trump would have made more money if he put his inheritance money in the s&p 500

 

[vantexan]

He’s not a good businessman. A good businessman doesn’t bankrupt a casino

Trump would have made more money if he put his inheritance money in the s&p 500

So that's what all these businessmen out here should do? Don't start businesses with the capital they have? Just invest in an index fund and work at whatever while their money grows? No providing jobs for others? His million from his dad, which he paid back, would be billions now investing in the S&P?

 

[HarryWarden]

So that's what all these businessmen out here should do? Don't start businesses with the capital they have? Just invest in an index fund and work at whatever while their money grows? No providing jobs for others? His million from his dad, which he paid back, would be billions now investing in the S&P?

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

Trump’s fortune plunged at the outset of the pandemic, but unlike the overall stock market, his real estate empire hasn’t come roaring back.

www.forbes.com

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You see how desperate these people are?
Hurr durr Trump stole nuclear secrets to sell to the Saudis reeeeeee.

LMFAO

They know Biden is one of the most unpopular presidents ever. They're terrified that the anti-christ of their leftist religion is about to be president again.

 

[Darmark7]

He’s not a good businessman. A good businessman doesn’t bankrupt a casino

Trump would have made more money if he put his inheritance money in the s&p 500

That‘s old news. No longer true. Truth Social has added more than a billion to his wealth. What a great business man!

Your article below is from 2021. No longer true. In just a few short years he has added billions.

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

Trump’s fortune plunged at the outset of the pandemic, but unlike the overall stock market, his real estate empire hasn’t come roaring back.

www.forbes.com

 

[Darmark7]

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

Trump’s fortune plunged at the outset of the pandemic, but unlike the overall stock market, his real estate empire hasn’t come roaring back.

www.forbes.com

Here is a newer post to catch you up to reality.

Trump’s Net Worth Hits $6.5 Billion, Making Him One of World’s 500 Richest People

(Bloomberg) -- Donald Trump’s business empire was supposed to be in peril like never before on Monday. Instead, it turned into the single-greatest day on record for the former president’s wealth. Most Read from BloombergTrump’s Net Worth Hits $6.5 Billion, Making Him One of World’s 500 Richest...

www.yahoo.com

 

[vantexan]

It’s Official: Trump Would Be Richer If He Had Just Invested His Inheritance Into The S&P 500

Trump’s fortune plunged at the outset of the pandemic, but unlike the overall stock market, his real estate empire hasn’t come roaring back.

www.forbes.com

Oh, wow, 2021. And how much is he worth now?

 

[HarryWarden]

Here is a newer post to catch you up to reality.

Trump’s Net Worth Hits $6.5 Billion, Making Him One of World’s 500 Richest People

(Bloomberg) -- Donald Trump’s business empire was supposed to be in peril like never before on Monday. Instead, it turned into the single-greatest day on record for the former president’s wealth. Most Read from BloombergTrump’s Net Worth Hits $6.5 Billion, Making Him One of World’s 500 Richest...

www.yahoo.com

You’re right. My information was outdated, sorry

 

[Fred's Myth]

Here’s what I think. I think the documents they had were much different. Biden bad 25 documents, they were his personal folders and notes that contained classified information. If you know anything about government work, more things get classified than not. I imagine most politicians have “classified” information.

Again, there are 2 main differences in these cases, as the special counsel pointed out

The levels of classification, and the response to being told they needed it back

Biden never refused when asked for documents back. He let them search, he gave a voluntary interview, and he gave everything back that was asked to be back. Same with Pence

Trump was asked to give back, he said no. They asked again, he said no again. Then he asked his lawyers to lie. Then he gave some back and hid some others and lied some more. And he lied again. He also bragged about not declassifying them and he showed them to guests. He had his valet move and hide documents. He obstructed the investigation.

But the biggest point, that you have ignored every single time and continue to ignore

Trump had documents that were so sensitive that not even the president is allowed to declassify them. The president is able to declassify almost everything himself, except for certain information regarding our nuclear weapon information. These are top secret classified documents that should not even leave the room, that needs congress to work together to declassify due to the atomic energy act of 1945

Again, there is a reason the fbi raided trump. And there is 2 possibilities. The deep state is out to get him, or he committed a serious crime

A trump appointed Republican counsel said the cases are different. I don’t know why it’s so hard for you to accept that also

1. How did Trump come into possession of his classified documents, and
2. Why are you okay with allowing Hur to be both judge and jury?

 

[HarryWarden]

1. How did Trump come into possession of his classified documents, and
2. Why are you okay with allowing Hur to be both judge and jury?

1. Good question
2. I’m not. The trump case should go to trial as the judge and prosecutors and investigators found enough evidence to do so. The special counsel said that was not the case for Biden

Federal judge found ‘strong evidence’ of crimes before Trump was charged in classified documents case | CNN Politics

Months before Donald Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents, a federal judge said that investigators had “strong evidence” that the former president “intended” to hide classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, according to newly released court documents.

amp.cnn.com

 

[vantexan]

1. Good question
2. I’m not. The trump case should go to trial as the judge and prosecutors and investigators found enough evidence to do so. The special counsel said that was not the case for Biden

Federal judge found ‘strong evidence’ of crimes before Trump was charged in classified documents case | CNN Politics

Months before Donald Trump was indicted for mishandling classified documents, a federal judge said that investigators had “strong evidence” that the former president “intended” to hide classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago resort, according to newly released court documents.

amp.cnn.com

The special counsel said that Biden broke the law. Why does he get a pass?

 

[HarryWarden]

The special counsel said that Biden broke the law. Why does he get a pass?

Hur's office felt that the "evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

They also felt they couldn’t get a jury to convict him

The cases were also much different than trumps

You guys have to remember, not only did trump take more severe classified documents, he lied and stalled and obstructed Justice

His charges aren’t only for the documents


The Charges

• 31 counts of Wilful Retention of National Defense Information — 18 USC 793(e)
• Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice — 18 USC 1512(k)
• Withholding a Document or Record — 18 USC 1512 (b)(2)(A), and abetting
• Corrupting concealing a Document or Record — 18 USC 1512[c](1), and abetting
• Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation — 18 USC 1519, and abetting
• Scheme to Conceal — 18 USC 1001(a)(1), and abetting
• False Statements and Representations — 18 USC 1001(a)(2), and abetting

Bidens documents were pertaining to two things, the Afghanistan war and his personal notebooks containing personal notes and checklists

These are the documents trump had

1. TS//NF//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 3, 2018, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
2. [TS//SI//NF//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 9, 2018, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries.
3. [TS//SI//NF//FISA] Undated document concerning military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States, with handwritten annotation in black marker
4. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 6, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to foreign countries, including military activities and planning of foreign countries.
5. [TS//XX/XX//ORCON//NF] Document dated June 2020, concerning nuclear capabilities of a foreign country
6. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated June 4, 2020, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
7. [S//NF] Document dated October 21, 2018, concerning communications with a leader of a foreign country.
8. [S//REL FVEY]Document dated October 4, 2019, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country.
9. [TS//XX/X//ORCON/NF/FISA] Undated document concerning military attacks by a foreign country
10. [TS//TK//NF] Document dated November 2017, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
11. [S//REL FVEY]Undated document concerning military contingency planning of the United States
12. [S//REL FVEY] Paged of undated document concerning projected regional military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States
13. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Undated document concerning military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States
14. [S//ORCON/NF] Document dated January 2020, concerning military options of a foreign country and potential effects on United States interests
15. [S//ORCON/NF] Document dated February 2020 concerning policies in a foreign country
16. [S//ORCON//NF] Document dated December 2019, concerning foreign country support of terrorist acts against United States interests
17. [TS//X/TK/ORCON/IMCON/NF] Document dated January 2020 concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
18. [S//NF] Document dated March 2020 concerning military operations against United States forces and others
19. [S/FRD] Undated document concerning nuclear weaponry of the United States
20. [[TS//XX/ORCON//NF] Undated document concerning timeline and details of attack in a foreign country
21. [S//NF] Undated document concerning military capabilities of foreign countries
22. [TS//X/RSEN/ORCON//NF] Document dated August 2019, concerning military activity of a foreign country
23. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated August 30, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries, with handwritten annotation in black marker
24. [[TS//HCS-P/SI//ORCON-USGOV/NF] Undated document concerning military activity of a foreign country
25. [[TS//HCS-P/SI//ORCON-USGOV/NF] Document dated October 24, 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries and the United States
26. [[TS//X//ORCON//NF/FISA] Document dated November 7, 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries and the United States
27. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Document dated November 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries
28. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated October 18, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
29. [TS//X/SI/TK//ORCON/NF]Document dated October 18, 2019, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
30. [TS//X/ORCON/NF/FISA] Document dated October 15, 2019, concerning military activity in a foreign country
31. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Document dated February 2017, concerning military activity of a foreign country

What are the Classified Documents in the Trump Indictment?

What do we know, and what can we infer, about the 31 documents the special counsel's office charges Trump with retaining?

www.lawfaremedia.org

 

[Fred's Myth]

Hur's office felt that the "evidence does not establish Mr. Biden's guilt beyond a reasonable doubt."

They also felt they couldn’t get a jury to convict him

The cases were also much different than trumps

You guys have to remember, not only did trump take more severe classified documents, he lied and stalled and obstructed Justice

His charges aren’t only for the documents


The Charges

• 31 counts of Wilful Retention of National Defense Information — 18 USC 793(e)
• Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice — 18 USC 1512(k)
• Withholding a Document or Record — 18 USC 1512 (b)(2)(A), and abetting
• Corrupting concealing a Document or Record — 18 USC 1512[c](1), and abetting
• Concealing a Document in a Federal Investigation — 18 USC 1519, and abetting
• Scheme to Conceal — 18 USC 1001(a)(1), and abetting
• False Statements and Representations — 18 USC 1001(a)(2), and abetting

Bidens documents were pertaining to two things, the Afghanistan war and his personal notebooks containing personal notes and checklists

These are the documents trump had

1. TS//NF//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 3, 2018, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
2. [TS//SI//NF//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 9, 2018, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries.
3. [TS//SI//NF//FISA] Undated document concerning military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States, with handwritten annotation in black marker
4. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated May 6, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to foreign countries, including military activities and planning of foreign countries.
5. [TS//XX/XX//ORCON//NF] Document dated June 2020, concerning nuclear capabilities of a foreign country
6. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated June 4, 2020, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
7. [S//NF] Document dated October 21, 2018, concerning communications with a leader of a foreign country.
8. [S//REL FVEY]Document dated October 4, 2019, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country.
9. [TS//XX/X//ORCON/NF/FISA] Undated document concerning military attacks by a foreign country
10. [TS//TK//NF] Document dated November 2017, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
11. [S//REL FVEY]Undated document concerning military contingency planning of the United States
12. [S//REL FVEY] Paged of undated document concerning projected regional military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States
13. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Undated document concerning military capabilities of a foreign country and the United States
14. [S//ORCON/NF] Document dated January 2020, concerning military options of a foreign country and potential effects on United States interests
15. [S//ORCON/NF] Document dated February 2020 concerning policies in a foreign country
16. [S//ORCON//NF] Document dated December 2019, concerning foreign country support of terrorist acts against United States interests
17. [TS//X/TK/ORCON/IMCON/NF] Document dated January 2020 concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
18. [S//NF] Document dated March 2020 concerning military operations against United States forces and others
19. [S/FRD] Undated document concerning nuclear weaponry of the United States
20. [[TS//XX/ORCON//NF] Undated document concerning timeline and details of attack in a foreign country
21. [S//NF] Undated document concerning military capabilities of foreign countries
22. [TS//X/RSEN/ORCON//NF] Document dated August 2019, concerning military activity of a foreign country
23. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated August 30, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries, with handwritten annotation in black marker
24. [[TS//HCS-P/SI//ORCON-USGOV/NF] Undated document concerning military activity of a foreign country
25. [[TS//HCS-P/SI//ORCON-USGOV/NF] Document dated October 24, 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries and the United States
26. [[TS//X//ORCON//NF/FISA] Document dated November 7, 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries and the United States
27. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Document dated November 2019, concerning military activity of foreign countries
28. [TS//SPECIAL HANDLING] Document dated October 18, 2019, concerning White House intelligence briefing related to various foreign countries
29. [TS//X/SI/TK//ORCON/NF]Document dated October 18, 2019, concerning military capabilities of a foreign country
30. [TS//X/ORCON/NF/FISA] Document dated October 15, 2019, concerning military activity in a foreign country
31. [TS//SI/TK//NF] Document dated February 2017, concerning military activity of a foreign country

What are the Classified Documents in the Trump Indictment?

What do we know, and what can we infer, about the 31 documents the special counsel's office charges Trump with retaining?

www.lawfaremedia.org

You misunderstand my question. Why was it up to Hur to act as Judge, Jury, and Condoner? Experience isn’t infallibility.

 

[HarryWarden]

You misunderstand my question. Why was it up to Hur to act as Judge, Jury, and Condoner? Experience isn’t infallibility.

That was his job, to investigate and decide whether to recommend charges or not. He decided it wasn’t worth it

The federal government has an amazing prosecution rate. It’s around 99%. They don’t take cases unless they’re absolutely sure of what they have and the evidence is overwhelming

That’s why trump, a president, getting raided by the fbi and charged by the feds is such a huge deal