THE TRUMP 2024 THREAD

[vantexan]

So gay and trans people want to be accepted with full rights in a free society and to you that’s “pushing” homosexuality?

No, because it's a free society they have the right to live their lives as they choose. It's when they try to push their agenda by placing inappropriate material in school libraries, have drag queen story hour to indoctrinate kids, want to disfigure children before the kids are old enough to make mature, rational decisions about permanent changes to their bodies, want to push allowing physically superior boys to compete with girls in girls sports plus be able to use girls locker rooms, and force people to use pronouns in non traditional ways, and probably other things I'm forgetting, oh, lets not forget trying to shut down Christian businesses, that we push back. You can't seem to go about your business in peace. You want to dominate and destroy anyone who doesn't go along. That's not a free society. It's what you want for your society and all other viewpoints be damned.

 

[Next Day Err]

No, because it's a free society they have the right to live their lives as they choose. It's when they try to push their agenda by placing inappropriate material in school libraries, have drag queen story hour to indoctrinate kids, want to disfigure children before the kids are old enough to make mature, rational decisions about permanent changes to their bodies, want to push allowing physically superior boys to compete with girls in girls sports plus be able to use girls locker rooms, and force people to use pronouns in non traditional ways, and probably other things I'm forgetting, oh, lets not forget trying to shut down Christian businesses, that we push back. You can't seem to go about your business in peace. You want to dominate and destroy anyone who doesn't go along. That's not a free society. It's what you want for your society and all other viewpoints be damned.

You are way too dramatic.

 

[vantexan]

You are way too dramatic.

We just react to what your side is doing. If two men move into a house in a neighborhood and live quietly together for decades it's unlikely they'll be bothered. If the same two men are in their yard all the time dressed provocatively and making suggestive remarks to young men passing by then likely those two men are going to get themselves harmed. Unfortunately the Left will say that's the way they want to live their lives and we must accept them as they are. No, we don't. I'm not for harming anyone physically unless they're coming at me with bad intentions, but I'd support calling the law on them if they crossed a line. Others no doubt feel differently and they could be harmed.

 

[tourists24]

You are way too dramatic.

Is it? Do you agree with what the Illinois school just did when they made the girls change their clothes in front of the boy that wanted to use the girls dressing room?

 

[oldngray]

Since English is our official language, Trump will no longer offer translations with immigration services

Well, if you want to become an American citizen you're going to have to learn English.

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[UnionStrong]

We just react to what your side is doing. If two men move into a house in a neighborhood and live quietly together for decades it's unlikely they'll be bothered. If the same two men are in their yard all the time dressed provocatively and making suggestive remarks to young men passing by then likely those two men are going to get themselves harmed. Unfortunately the Left will say that's the way they want to live their lives and we must accept them as they are. No, we don't. I'm not for harming anyone physically unless they're coming at me with bad intentions, but I'd support calling the law on them if they crossed a line. Others no doubt feel differently and they could be harmed.

Hear Hear!

 

[Sportello]

 

[Sportello]

 

[Next Day Err]

We just react to what your side is doing. If two men move into a house in a neighborhood and live quietly together for decades it's unlikely they'll be bothered. If the same two men are in their yard all the time dressed provocatively and making suggestive remarks to young men passing by then likely those two men are going to get themselves harmed.

How is that any different than if a man relentlessly cat calls young women in this fictional neighborhood you’re imagining?

 

[Next Day Err]

drag queen story hour to indoctrinate kids

So in a free society those who have a drag queen stage persona shouldn’t be able to host a reading event where some parents freely bring their kids to listen to?

Just because it makes you and some others uncomfortable doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to engage in this kind of thing. It’s acting. It’s dress up. Should we ban plays at the local theater, too? Lots of dress up and different people in different costumes that might not rigidly fit your definition of what those folks should wear.

Get a grip.

 

[Box Ox]

No, because it's a free society they have the right to live their lives as they choose. It's when they try to push their agenda by placing inappropriate material in school libraries, have drag queen story hour to indoctrinate kids, want to disfigure children before the kids are old enough to make mature, rational decisions about permanent changes to their bodies, want to push allowing physically superior boys to compete with girls in girls sports plus be able to use girls locker rooms, and force people to use pronouns in non traditional ways, and probably other things I'm forgetting, oh, lets not forget trying to shut down Christian businesses, that we push back. You can't seem to go about your business in peace. You want to dominate and destroy anyone who doesn't go along. That's not a free society. It's what you want for your society and all other viewpoints be damned.

You are way too dramatic.

Sounds like you made a great point here that there's not any great counter-argument to. None of the agenda pushing you mentioned above was an issue until trans insanity really took hold and the left went ing nuts over it . For me it has nothing to do with homosexuality itself. They're two completely different things. Reasonable people shouldn't be fooled when leftists conflate the two and attempt to defend an insane thing by putting a sane thing in front of it.

So in a free society those who have a drag queen stage persona shouldn’t be able to host a reading event where some parents freely bring their kids to listen to?

Just because it makes you and some others uncomfortable doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be able to engage in this kind of thing. It’s acting. It’s dress up. Should we ban plays at the local theater, too? Lots of dress up and different people in different costumes that might not rigidly fit your definition of what those folks should wear.

Why do drag queens feel the need to do that in front of kids specifically?

 

[Next Day Err]

Why do drag queens feel the need to do that in front of kids specifically?

Have you looked up their stated reasons?

How big of a problem is this issue, really?

I’m continually amazed at how little we Americans can whittle away energy and Hoover up political oxygen on fringe cultural issues like this. It points to how we live in an embarrassment of wealth and privilege and safety by almost any historical standard. We’re truly lucky to get to scrap over the dumbest possible while most of the world has to care about much more serious, existential problems.

Leave the damn drag queens alone, they’re not hurting anyone. If we’re going to cast aspersions we should start with politicians and priests. Like that MN GOP state Senator that was looking to score a little prostitution with an underage girl. I hear ing crickets from the likes of you guys on this but if he were a Democrat it would be nonstop rage bait in the right-wing echo chamber.

 

[El Correcto]

@El Correcto

Every action by legislative branch and executive branch are up for judicial review.

“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.”

 

[Thebrownblob]

Have you looked up their stated reasons?

How big of a problem is this issue, really?

I’m continually amazed at how little we Americans can whittle away energy and Hoover up political oxygen on fringe cultural issues like this. It points to how we live in an embarrassment of wealth and privilege and safety by almost any historical standard. We’re truly lucky to get to scrap over the dumbest possible while most of the world has to care about much more serious, existential problems.

Leave the damn drag queens alone, they’re not hurting anyone. If we’re going to cast aspersions we should start with politicians and priests. Like that MN GOP state Senator that was looking to score a little prostitution with an underage girl. I hear ing crickets from the likes of you guys on this but if he were a Democrat it would be nonstop rage bait in the right-wing echo chamber.

I thought you had a little bit of an argument until you went into the extreme right wing hate that you seem to devolve into quite often. His party asked him to resign and he hasn’t been found guilty only charged. What else would you want them to do? I also didn’t hear anyone here. Say they shouldn’t ask him to resign.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Every action by legislative branch and executive branch are up for judicial review.

“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.”

It seems it’s a separate branch and can decide if it wants to review something or not. It just doesn’t mean it has any power to do something about their decision.

 

[Gotta Go]

That kid is going places...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1902417221298876837

 

[Gotta Go]

 

[vantexan]

Every action by legislative branch and executive branch are up for judicial review.

“The judicial Power shall extend to all Cases, in Law and Equity, arising under this Constitution, the Laws of the United States, and Treaties made, or which shall be made, under their Authority;—to all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls;—to all Cases of admiralty and maritime Jurisdiction;—to Controversies to which the United States shall be a Party;—to Controversies between two or more States;—between a State and Citizens of another State,—between Citizens of different States,—between Citizens of the same State claiming Lands under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the Citizens thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects.”

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say presidential power concerning enforcing immigration law is subject to judicial review. As a matter of fact the Supreme Court recently ruled that the president has immunity when he is conducting his constitutionally mandated duties.

 

[vantexan]

Have you looked up their stated reasons?

How big of a problem is this issue, really?

I’m continually amazed at how little we Americans can whittle away energy and Hoover up political oxygen on fringe cultural issues like this. It points to how we live in an embarrassment of wealth and privilege and safety by almost any historical standard. We’re truly lucky to get to scrap over the dumbest possible while most of the world has to care about much more serious, existential problems.

Leave the damn drag queens alone, they’re not hurting anyone. If we’re going to cast aspersions we should start with politicians and priests. Like that MN GOP state Senator that was looking to score a little prostitution with an underage girl. I hear ing crickets from the likes of you guys on this but if he were a Democrat it would be nonstop rage bait in the right-wing echo chamber.

Nancy Pelosi was requiring House members to state their pronouns and use everyone's preferred pronouns. A bunch of major corporations started sensitivity training to incorporate that into their culture. I remember a college professor who was fired for refusing to call someone by their preferred pronoun. College campuses are hotbeds for this stuff and they're our future leaders.

Meanwhile a man won the national title in women's swimming. And was walking around in the nude in their locker room. Girls were losing state championships to boys who were breaking state records. Some girls got injured playing against boys. A boy claiming to be a girl sexually assaulted a girl in Louden County, Virginia. The school board, instead of expelling him, quietly moved him to another school where he did the same to another girl.

You try to downplay all of this so I have to ask just how bad does it have to get before you stop claiming we're being dramatic?

 

[Next Day Err]

I thought you had a little bit of an argument until you went into the extreme right wing hate that you seem to devolve into quite often. His party asked him to resign and he hasn’t been found guilty only charged. What else would you want them to do? I also didn’t hear anyone here. Say they shouldn’t ask him to resign.

Due process, yeah, yeah, I get it.

Keep in mind the MN GOP is calling for this creep to scram. They’ve got him dead to rights lol