yes you do
They are taking FT drivers OT
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Is there start time protection language I’m unaware of?
We have to fund our retirement someh
That's where most of my overtime goes towards.
To bad that overtime isn't factored in the pensions. Its's for this reason that overtime for package car drivers will never go away.
Benben
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To cover their arse on article 37! If your argument held any water at all they would actually lift a finger to fix a 9.5 issue on a Friday of a driver who had been violated less than twice that week. But they don't, because they don't care, because article 37 doesn't come into play!
Lastly, drivers and loaders do not ever refer to it as "building a route" EVER!
You need to think this one through a bit. The company won't violate and pay because the hybrid drivers are exempt from those protections and as such the company is free to abuse them at will!
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BigUnionGuy
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There's language in the Central Region.
"If, during the life of this Agreement, a driver’s bid area is permanently changed by fifty percent (50%) or more of the total stops, start time change of more than one (1) hour or a change of fifty percent (50%) or more of the area or loop, he/she shall have the right to follow whichever portion of his/her bid area he/she desires or he/she will have the option to bump a junior driver in accordance with local seniority practices."
Also Maintenance of Standards:
"The Employer agrees that all conditions of employment in his/her individual operation relating to wages, hours of work, overtime differentials and general working conditions shall be maintained at not less than the highest standards in effect at the time of the signing of this Agreement"
https://teamster.org/sites/teamster.org/files/06242014_77983_central_region-final.pdf
Everyone is getting in a big huff.... over nothing.
-Bug-
Benben
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Are we? "Highest standards" is subjective. What one side says it is may not be what the other side interprets! As for the start times. Start times have been moved back another 10 mins the past few weeks. Contract is voted on and they move them 55 mins back. That is less than an hour. Driver start times are suddenly 5 mins before 10 am. The 9.5 mark becomes 8 pm. Home with family at 8:30. Do you see why the concern? The 11 hour days become home at 10 pm. Once we vote yes do you think we can say, "ops, our bad, didn't want that so lets redo or you change?"
I’ll have to check ours, thanks.
I wish everyone thought this way
Delivery!!!
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I had this thought too a week or so ago. I was thinking about a hybrid day you could bid on to for rpcds instead of having hybrid drivers. Or maybe a designated hours only day once a week with a 4 hour guarantee and not to exceed 6. Helps reduce ot while management doesn't have to worry about someone's guaranteed 8 and gets the early
driver a day each week for family or social things, like a golf league or softball or something.
Perhaps it was a minority where you are, but I sat in those pre-negotiation meetings at our hall, and it was far from a minority that felt they were being over worked, AND the lower seniority guys, 95% of them bitched about working a 6th day/Saturday's. There was just a rant session in the bay while waiting on late flights, of about 10 drivers on Friday about being forced to work 6 days. There is very little offered OT in our building, whats in your truck is in your truck, that's your day whether it's 10 hours or not.
However, now that the language has come out, many of those very same senior drivers are the ones bitching about losing $25,000 a year. I just had a few buddies over for a BBQ last night and a couple of them who had that concern, one even admitted maybe bitching about the work load wasn't the smartest thing. Good thing his wife is a triage nurse...
All I know, is 4 1/2 more years. Wife retires from the state in Feb. 2023 and I'll be done with 28 years. Bring on the work until then...
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This post would be more comforting if contract violations went more in favor to us workers. But more often than not it goes to UPS or at best they get a slap on the wrist 3 months down the road.
Also, all this language does is allows a driver to switch routes, which is not what we want to do. We want our routes protected from major changes. If they were to change all start times to noon(not saying that will happen, but let's just play it out to see) then the only option for a driver is to bump someone who has to start at noon anyway.
Article 40 would be a nice protection from this if everyone agreed that "hours of work" meant our current start times, but all they have to say is that drivers are getting their 8, 9, 10, hours etc. as normal so normal hours of work. And with my local they will not fight something like that.
This post would be more comforting if contract violations went more in favor to us workers. But more often than not it goes to UPS or at best they get a slap on the wrist 3 months down the road.
Also, all this language does is allows a driver to switch routes, which is not what we want to do. We want our routes protected from major changes. If they were to change all start times to noon(not saying that will happen, but let's just play it out to see) then the only option for a driver is to bump someone who has to start at noon anyway.
Article 40 would be a nice protection from this if everyone agreed that "hours of work" meant our current start times, but all they have to say is that drivers are getting their 8, 9, 10, hours etc. as normal so normal hours of work. And with my local they will not fight something like that.
BigUnionGuy
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Every supplement has a Maintenance of Standards article.
Being that it's been in existence for over 40 years.... it's hardly open to interpretation.
I can't think of any contract in my Local that doesn't have one.
Again.... that's where Article 40 comes in to play.
If a regular pkg car driver can perform the work, it goes to the regular pkg car driver.
I haven't posted once, how I think people should vote.
What I have said.... wait until the entirety of the language comes out.
Go to your Locals contract review of the language. Then make an educated decision.
There are so many "doom and gloom" scenarios being played out right now.
-Bug-
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They are here plus dbl shifting due to the major turnover ratio of employees.
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Why do you suppose they replaced S O'Brien?
This is the result.
Mine personally? No, I work too slow and don’t do enough stops. Lol.
I guess what I’m trying to say is there’s a fine line between overtime and “excessive” overtime. I’ve never heard of a driver complaining about a 95 today. But usually I hear the complaints when they punch out at 9:30 PM.
BigUnionGuy
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Sad part is, they hang intent sheets for double shifting and 3/4 of the people
don't show up for the second shift. Guess what happens ? Supes working....
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People always show up here but it's not a hub setting.
The management here just pays out supes working issues if there's a true violation. The center manager is tired of getting lectured in front of the steward during hearings when its reduced to writing so he just adds it to the affected employees pay for the week.
Heck, we file on "improperly staffed" issues if the vacancies become chronic...and it seems it's always fricking chronic.
Then we get paid for supes working.
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