Vinny sit on a pitchfork and tell all your lies to yourself. No one even pays attention to you but your one friend.
Union Politics - 804 members coming soon agitator 2
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407, sorry to disagree with you but what you and others might see as enthusiam is more like self destruction here in 804. Several of the posters on this thread have a specific agenda: attack our current E/B with lies and half truths as well as blame our union officials for actions that management does to us!! Now I have no problem with people wanting to challenge any incumbents at election time. But these guys (mostly former board members themselves as well as their puppets) started attacking this new board FROM DAY ONE. They never gave them a chance to fix the stuff the old board left them. They even destroyed harddrives and shredded files and notes before they left office (I will not go into all that they did. If you have been following this soap opera, then you know the story). They conjure up fictional numbers like "500 members fired" in two years. Nonsense!!
Bro, this is not being a healthy local when a very small faction is working JUST TO UNDERMINE OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS with lies and fiction. It would be a healthy and empowered local if the entire membership was active and standing up to management on the shop floor, NOT COMING ON HERE AS A CAFE TOUGH GUY ATTACKING FELLOW UNION PEOPLE!! I understand that there will always be differences, but the time for that is at election time. NOT THEIR ENTIRE 3 YEAR TENURE!!
not what i voted for
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Get real Brown the agitator and Reynolds TDU boys have been trashing this Local for alot longer than 3 years and you are right it does nothing for Local 804.
But if you think what these guys have done to this membership is ok you must be one of those that were trashing this Local also.
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AcesUp804
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AWWW whats the matter Tony D, Your feelings are hurt because everyone is laughing at you.....
The truth hurts, stop making deals with UPS. You are hurting our Local but your to stupid to realize it.
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AcesUp804
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Tony D is CRYING to every one that will listen. Calling the people that put out the flier against him cowards..... WHAT A JOKE
THE TRUTH HURTS....Tony D can't handle pressure plain and simple... Guess its only OK when you are doing the bashing. Right Tony
NO BALLS .. He's crying on his face book page. Even the people that are supporting Tony D are upset that their pension hasn't gone up in 15 years
Tony D doesn't know what to say doesn't know how to answer the questions.
When you see Tony D at a building ask him....
Why did you wait until after the Dec 2007 hall election to tell the members our pension was friend'ed up even thou you knew 6 months earlier???
Why did you back Hoffa and give him $500 of your own money???
Why did you vote YES to raise our Union dues from 2 to 2 1/2 times the hourly rate???
Why did you not tell the members our medical was going to arbitration??? when you knew before Sept 2009.... I know wait until after the election LOL SORRY YOU LOST..
Why were you willing to give up 25 and out , coffee and give UPS 10 cents of our money???
Why when you got back to Foster you asked stewards to step down??? To help you... LOL they all said NO
Why didn't you go to drivers arbitrations that were fired while you were their BA???
THE FACTS ARE THAT NO ONE BELIEVES OR TRUSTS TONY D ..........
THE TRUTH HURTS....Tony D can't handle pressure plain and simple... Guess its only OK when you are doing the bashing. Right Tony
NO BALLS .. He's crying on his face book page. Even the people that are supporting Tony D are upset that their pension hasn't gone up in 15 years
Tony D doesn't know what to say doesn't know how to answer the questions.
When you see Tony D at a building ask him....
Why did you wait until after the Dec 2007 hall election to tell the members our pension was friend'ed up even thou you knew 6 months earlier???
Why did you back Hoffa and give him $500 of your own money???
Why did you vote YES to raise our Union dues from 2 to 2 1/2 times the hourly rate???
Why did you not tell the members our medical was going to arbitration??? when you knew before Sept 2009.... I know wait until after the election LOL SORRY YOU LOST..
Why were you willing to give up 25 and out , coffee and give UPS 10 cents of our money???
Why when you got back to Foster you asked stewards to step down??? To help you... LOL they all said NO
Why didn't you go to drivers arbitrations that were fired while you were their BA???
THE FACTS ARE THAT NO ONE BELIEVES OR TRUSTS TONY D ..........
Who are you kidding, you never went to a union meeting.
The agitator and the new E/B NEVER trashed this Local. They criticized an out of touch, over paid E/B who had lost the fire in their large bellies!! They always seemed to want to restore Ron Carey's legacy so we could be proud once again here in Local 804. That criticism OVER TIME lead to formally challenging the old board. As for what the membership thinks, I think you are mistaking an anger we have at UPS management and their policies as an anger at our board. Im very confident my B/A and board has my back. I couldnt say that 3 years ago!!
not what i voted for
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I don't know who your B/A was but these guys will throw you under the bus if you don't live up to UPS standards. If you have any doubt read the last chance agreement on the Members Voice site. Unless that document is false.
What you call criticism is what is going on right now with this membership towards the people that are in office now and they are being held to the promises they made.
Do you really want to talk about Large Bellies !!!!!
One thing I want to say is that once before someone came to the UPS buildings telling the part timers they deserved equal pay for equal work!
Anyone reading this would agree.
The group of people were running against Ron Carey and it was Hoffa. And if this current group doesn't get anything they can always blame Hoffa because Pope got crushed.
You are out of touch.
Had enough
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BEWARE
Of The
“Last Chance Agreement”
That The Current Executive Board Is Asking Members To Sign
The current Executive Board is advising members to sign a “Last Chance Agreement”. This is a death sentence, a total violation and a separate agreement of our Local 804 Contract. Once you and your union official sign this document, you are giving up your protection to any union rights. This will allow the company to discharge you and walk you off the job at any given time.
Visit our website to read and see one of the signed documents:
Local804membersvoice.com
I just copied off of the Facebook page! Go visit they site!!!
Of The
“Last Chance Agreement”
That The Current Executive Board Is Asking Members To Sign
The current Executive Board is advising members to sign a “Last Chance Agreement”. This is a death sentence, a total violation and a separate agreement of our Local 804 Contract. Once you and your union official sign this document, you are giving up your protection to any union rights. This will allow the company to discharge you and walk you off the job at any given time.
Visit our website to read and see one of the signed documents:
Local804membersvoice.com
I just copied off of the Facebook page! Go visit they site!!!
Had enough
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He is the mental patient Vinny M/Aces/eyeball. He is a liar! Just ignore him. I learned to not even answer him! Lol
Ibt804Hammer
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Where is this last chance agreement posted on tony's web page? Got it.
AcesUp804
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So this is on Tony D Web-site did he even read the agreement???? Is he really that DUM????
2. Employee has been reinstated on a "last chance agreement" basis. Any future voilation of falsification of records shall be grounds immediate termination of employment without recourse to the grievance or arbitration procedure, EXCEPT to the extent that there is a genuine dispute whether employee actually violated such policy.
Who do you think will deside if there is a genuine dispute??? AN ARBITRATOR YOU CLOWN.......
PLUS number 4 says
4. This agreement shall not be cited as precedent except in a proceeding to enforce its terms.
That protects our Local..
I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT TONY D WOULD PUT A MEMBERS PRIVATE DOCUMENT ON HIS WEBSITE, Way to go Tony now let UPS relook at it , you idiot ,, but you only care about yourself.
I know this driver and they were very happy to be given the chance by the company to get their job back. This was offered to the driver by UPS not LOCAL 804. The driver wanted to sign it no matter what because the driver felt they had no choice either sign or wait over a year and take there chance at arbitration PLUS with the WEAK language that our old board OK'd in the contract our members have no rights.
Here is something else that makes me laugh the drivers shop steward is Alfonso C that is running with members voice.
When the driver got there job back HE TOLD EVERYONE IN THE CENTER THAT BECAUSE OF HIM THE DRIVER GOT THERE JOB BACK. Now its on their site...
I myself do not agree with these types of agreements but when members have to wait 15 months to see an arbitrator (thanks to our old board) no medical plus our local is losing most of them and I heard that even the ones that got there jobs back GOT NO BACK PAY.
There has be agreements like this for over 20 years most happen before an arbitration but its the same kind of agreement.
AS LONG AS THIS AGREEMENT IS NON PRECEDENT AND THE MEMBERS HAS SOME AVENUE TO SEE AN ARBITRATOR THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH IT.
Its up to the members.
Had enough
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Hey, you are the clown
Why dont you read the whole agreement,
number 7 says,
additionally, the employee agrees to the following criteria to maintain her employment.
A. 100 % EFFECTIVE DOK
B. FOLLOW ALL UPS SAFE WORK METHODS
C. WORD AS DIRECTED
D. BE AN EXEMPLARY UPS EMPLOYEE
E. PROVIDE A FAIR DAYS WORK FOR A FAIR DAYS PAY
AND SO ON
http://local804membersvoice.com/BEWARE_docx.pdf
http://local804membersvoice.com/BEWARE_docx.pdf
Ibt804Hammer
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The major problem I have with this agreement between Charleene, Anthony and UPS is that why is she given the opportunity to return to her employment and my other brothers/ friends were never given the shot? (Same exact charges) I would also recommend for Tony to black out her name. It would be the right thing to do.
AcesUp804
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I agree with you 100% (i won't sign my name) LOL
Same thing happens at arbitrations some get a chance , while others don't , thats not right either.
not what i voted for
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Aces: You will just have to make another trip under someones desk UPS or 804 your choice.
You talk about Donato
Read from #4 to the end.
7. Aditionally,the employee agrees to the following criteria to maintain her employment. What do you think that means?
You talk about Donato
Read from #4 to the end.
7. Aditionally,the employee agrees to the following criteria to maintain her employment. What do you think that means?
AcesUp804
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Not surprised that you don't understand the meaning but I'll help you.
ADDITIONALLY MEANS ANYTHING UNDER #7 ALSO FALLS UNDER #2 ,,, so the member still has a right to see a arbitrator....
Had enough
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It is good to have a voice when it matters. What is happing now is that this exsecutive board is misleading part- timers to belive that they can do something for them, when it is clear that they cannot. The international did not invite them to the table for contract talks with the company. The only thing that can save us is for this e-board to be voted out!!! There is still time brothers to get something accomplished next year.
Please read this article.
Local804 ByLaws
Article19
Section 3: Neither this Local Union, nor any of its officers, business representatives or employees, has the power to make any contract or agreement or to incur any liability which shall be binding upon the International Union or any of its affiliates other than this Local Union unless the written consent of the governing body or executive officer thereof has first been obtained authorizing such action. Neither this Local Union or any of its officers, representatives or employees has been authorized or empowered to act as an agent of the International Union or any of its affiliated bodies and shall not be deemed an agent for any such body unless expressly authorized in writing by the governing body of such body to act in that capacity.
Just took this off of the 804 cafe!
Please read this article.
Local804 ByLaws
Article19
Section 3: Neither this Local Union, nor any of its officers, business representatives or employees, has the power to make any contract or agreement or to incur any liability which shall be binding upon the International Union or any of its affiliates other than this Local Union unless the written consent of the governing body or executive officer thereof has first been obtained authorizing such action. Neither this Local Union or any of its officers, representatives or employees has been authorized or empowered to act as an agent of the International Union or any of its affiliated bodies and shall not be deemed an agent for any such body unless expressly authorized in writing by the governing body of such body to act in that capacity.
Just took this off of the 804 cafe!
