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OffRoutesPay
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Then I guess your voting yes because no part timers will help do drivers work, unless they are part timers covering vacation routes. Also after reading the Supplement that Scott has on his website he should take it down, its not correct and here is why...
Local 804 / UPS Supplemental Agreement Employer Proposals <------------------------ NOT FROM 804 FROM UPS
The following
are the contract proposals of UPS, Inc., an Ohio and New York Corporation
("Company") to amend the Local 804 Supplemental Agreement currently scheduled to
expire August 1, 2013. The Company reserves the right to add to, delete from,
amend or modify any or all of these proposals at any time during negotiations.
These proposals may not conform to specific articles in the current Agreement,
and they may relate to more than one article or portion of the Agreement. These
proposals are being made not only for the purpose of amending the current
Agreement but may also be for the clarification and interpretation of the
current Agreement.
OffRoutesPay
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newtothis, again you are so wrong, there will be no part timers as helpers. And as far as part timers covering vacation routes they will get paid $21.00 instead of the $16.10 they get paid now when they start, then after 39 days are sent back and nothing to show for it. This way all time worked will count toward making book.
HOW CAN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T READ AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. WAIT FOR SUNDAY.
HOW CAN YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HAVEN'T READ AND KNOW NOTHING ABOUT. WAIT FOR SUNDAY.
Off routes this is for you to as we'll
1. Cut your E-board controlled strings and think for yourself
2. Big Apple Circus called they have a opening for you. They heard you were a expert at swallowing swords they want you
3. Yes your lab results came back. And as suspected the stuff that was pumped from your stomach was load. About 3liters of the E boards finest
Bad news is you owe a few more $20 co pays for all the tests. Cash is preferred for payment
Straight off your buddy's site
ARTICLE 2 - Wages
(add new)Section 12 - Combination Helpers
The parties agree to create a new full-time combination helper classification. The new full-time combination helper jobs will consist of any combination of part-time preload, hub or local sort work and driver helper.
1The number of full-time helpers shall not be reduced by the use of full-time combination helpers and where possible additional full-time helper jobs shall be created. There shall be no more than seven percent (7%) full-time combination helpers based on the number of full-time package drivers in the center. Fractions will be rounded down. The percentage may be increased by mutual agreement of the parties.
2.Except for shopping malls not more than one (1) Full-time package helper will work from a vehicle with a driver at any one time. In shopping malls the maximum number of full-time combination helpers shall be two (2) per driver.
3.If a Package Helper is scheduled to meet a driver and the driver is late to the scheduled meet point, the helper's hours will commence from the scheduled time of the meet. The Company may change helper assignments on a daily basis.
4.Helpers as well as any additional passengers will be provided a seat equipped with a seat belt. In the case of planned transportation of a third person in addition to a helper the package driver must be unencumbered with all controls easily accessible.
5.Helpers shall be paid in accordance with Article 41 section 3 of the UPS/IBT national master agreement and shall have a daily eight (8) hour guarantee.
6.The intent of these combination helpers is not to be used as subterfuge to deny package drivers overtime.
7.No seniority package driver will be laid off as a direct result of the use of combination helpers in his or her building.
NY is one of the hardest places to live. Some of the highest property, school taxes in the country. Implementing these helpers is recipe for disaster. This will be the end of creating full time driver jobs as guys retire.
Why would new full time jobs need to be created when you can just pound it down guys throats and give them a helper year round.
And at what rate would these job classifications pay into the pension
1. Cut your E-board controlled strings and think for yourself
2. Big Apple Circus called they have a opening for you. They heard you were a expert at swallowing swords they want you
3. Yes your lab results came back. And as suspected the stuff that was pumped from your stomach was load. About 3liters of the E boards finest
Bad news is you owe a few more $20 co pays for all the tests. Cash is preferred for payment
Straight off your buddy's site
ARTICLE 2 - Wages
(add new)Section 12 - Combination Helpers
The parties agree to create a new full-time combination helper classification. The new full-time combination helper jobs will consist of any combination of part-time preload, hub or local sort work and driver helper.
1The number of full-time helpers shall not be reduced by the use of full-time combination helpers and where possible additional full-time helper jobs shall be created. There shall be no more than seven percent (7%) full-time combination helpers based on the number of full-time package drivers in the center. Fractions will be rounded down. The percentage may be increased by mutual agreement of the parties.
2.Except for shopping malls not more than one (1) Full-time package helper will work from a vehicle with a driver at any one time. In shopping malls the maximum number of full-time combination helpers shall be two (2) per driver.
3.If a Package Helper is scheduled to meet a driver and the driver is late to the scheduled meet point, the helper's hours will commence from the scheduled time of the meet. The Company may change helper assignments on a daily basis.
4.Helpers as well as any additional passengers will be provided a seat equipped with a seat belt. In the case of planned transportation of a third person in addition to a helper the package driver must be unencumbered with all controls easily accessible.
5.Helpers shall be paid in accordance with Article 41 section 3 of the UPS/IBT national master agreement and shall have a daily eight (8) hour guarantee.
6.The intent of these combination helpers is not to be used as subterfuge to deny package drivers overtime.
7.No seniority package driver will be laid off as a direct result of the use of combination helpers in his or her building.
NY is one of the hardest places to live. Some of the highest property, school taxes in the country. Implementing these helpers is recipe for disaster. This will be the end of creating full time driver jobs as guys retire.
Why would new full time jobs need to be created when you can just pound it down guys throats and give them a helper year round.
And at what rate would these job classifications pay into the pension
Catatonic
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Well, he is new to this.
OffRoutesPay
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We want to see part timers that want to grow do so. Not get stuck in the tornado that is coming.
And we will wait for Sunday. Shame that we have to when a little birdie has said that management already has it.
This is all of our union, my mortgage, your mortgage depends on it
And we will wait for Sunday. Shame that we have to when a little birdie has said that management already has it.
This is all of our union, my mortgage, your mortgage depends on it
OffRoutesPay
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OffRoutesPay
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Again its a NEW FULL TIME JOB not part time.
ARTICLE 2 - Wages
(add new)Section 12 - Combination Helpers
The parties agree to create a new full-time combination helper classification. The new full-time combination helper jobs will consist of any combination of part-time preload, hub or local sort work and driver helper.
Didn't Carey organise a strike largely based on "No part time jobs for America"...and this current board is all about Carey...now they want part-timers to do full time work....and UPS agreed which is more scarey cause they dont agree to anything they dont benefit from in the longterm...I still remember "Telematics cant be used for termination"...how did that work out..
OffRoutesPay
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So you believe UPS over the Union????? Perfect example of what is wrong with many Union members and the best is they don't even know it......
Why do we have to wait for sunday when all ups management personal have a copy of the supplemental and we UNION MEMBERS ARE BEING TOLD BY OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS THAT THE SUPPLEMENTAL ISN'T READY YET? LIES, LIES AND MORE LIES... This eboard better be ready on Sunday!
I don't believe anybody! I always speak with facts!
I don't believe anybody! I always speak with facts!
OffRoutesPay
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All you say is WHY, WHY, WHY. So where are your facts that our Union is lying????? Our President said its not ready... So who are you to say his lying.. you have no facts, none what so ever. STOP CRYING LIKE A LITTLE GIRL. CRY AFTER THE MEETING.
Did you not read what offroutes said: these will be FULL TIME jobs. Sort of like carey pushing ups to create all those 22.3 jobs in 1997. They put 2 part time jobs together to make that job. Similar situation here. 4 hrs in the hub, 4 hrs with a driver. There seem to be limits to the number in each center. Looks like mall routes would get one as well as split drivers with 200 stops. Im seeing a preloader work from 5am to 9 am then meet his driver at 1030 right after his air and work wit him til 230. If it is a full time job YES monies go to our H/W as well Pension funds. Listen our local ALREADY has FT helpers in certain buildings such as Foster ave.
LOL, never seemed to stop you before!! Anyway, Im sure the TA will be up on the website with all the updates and corrections before the union meeting.
Offroutes you said this to bigd last night "Our President said its not ready" and thats what it also says on the local website.....Contract Update
Local 804 will be holding a General Membership Meeting on Sunday, May 19 at 9:00 a.m. to go over the complete details of the National and Local 804 tentative agreements.
You can download and read the complete national tentative agreement here.
The Local 804 Supplement is still being finalized, along with other supplements where the final language is still being hammered out. Local 804 will post the tentative agreement online when it is finalized.
But what we were asking is if its not finalized yet how does local management have it already!!!
Local 804 will be holding a General Membership Meeting on Sunday, May 19 at 9:00 a.m. to go over the complete details of the National and Local 804 tentative agreements.
You can download and read the complete national tentative agreement here.
The Local 804 Supplement is still being finalized, along with other supplements where the final language is still being hammered out. Local 804 will post the tentative agreement online when it is finalized.
But what we were asking is if its not finalized yet how does local management have it already!!!
Has management shown you it?? They cant because it doesnt exist yet. As I speak it might be finalized, then our local will post it. Again, like off routes said, why are you trusting management's take on this issue. They are paid to lie!! Also the meeting has been changed to 8 am. I guess when they put the TA on their website they can also put the new time up there too!!
member6045
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Quick question! What if combo person got hurt during 90 gap would that be Worker Compensation! Like an car accident! Or something happened on the bus or train.
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