Union Politics - 804 members coming soon agitator 2

[804brown]

Correct I didn't ask and I have no intention of asking...RETIRE on this wonderful pension increase when all the other supplements eventually pass...so you can at least look a fellow driver with less than 10 years in the eye who will be layed off in Feb..March and April because there will be none to little vacations during those 3 months because your $300/month pension increase bought VCD's into the picture...I do agree a pension increase should implemented on every contract but not for VCD's...so again no intention of asking...just put your papers in and enjoy the increase

If any low seniority driver is worried about being laid off in Feb or March,he or she should take more of their vacation in those months. Or they can take the transfer to other buildings or bump 2 less senior part timers and work the pre-load. As for the "meeting " on the 15th , I believe Tim said at the union meeting this past sunday that we "came out of funding relief on Friday" (Oct 11th). The company and the union trustees meet again in December. But the contract was ratified BY the 15th, that is all that really mattered. Now the new number is locked in.
Again if any one has questions, call the hall!!

 

[member6045]

If any low seniority driver is worried about being laid off in Feb or March,he or she should take more of their vacation in those months. Or they can take the transfer to other buildings or bump 2 less senior part timers and work the pre-load. As for the "meeting " on the 15th , I believe Tim said at the union meeting this past sunday that we "came out of funding relief on Friday" (Oct 11th). The company and the union trustees meet again in December. But the contract was ratified BY the 15th, that is all that really mattered. Now the new number is locked in.
Again if any one has questions, call the hall!!

Now you want us to call the hall when you use this arena as a microphone! You clearly get your information from the Top 3 executive board members now your stepping back? No way! Can't allow you guys to do that! Stop worrying about elections! We watching your body of work and taking notes right now! Your contract ability to say jobs, pension and healthcare are our main concerns!

 

[not what i voted for]

If any low seniority driver is worried about being laid off in Feb or March,he or she should take more of their vacation in those months. Or they can take the transfer to other buildings or bump 2 less senior part timers and work the pre-load. As for the "meeting " on the 15th , I believe Tim said at the union meeting this past sunday that we "came out of funding relief on Friday" (Oct 11th). The company and the union trustees meet again in December. But the contract was ratified BY the 15th, that is all that really mattered. Now the new number is locked in.
Again if any one has questions, call the hall!!

Now you show your true colors, the lower seniority drivers can take their vacation in Feb. and March so the senior drivers can take 10% more vacation in the summer! We will see how UPS uses this to their advantage. I wonder if the junior drivers and part timers thought that it would effect them if it plays out the way you say. You will never admit that this doesn't benefit all members and that UPS gained more options that will help UPS more than our members. Time will tell and the members will see the results.

 

[804brown]

Now you want us to call the hall when you use this arena as a microphone! You clearly get your information from the Top 3 executive board members now your stepping back? No way! Can't allow you guys to do that! Stop worrying about elections! We watching your body of work and taking notes right now! Your contract ability to say jobs, pension and healthcare are our main concerns!

I go to the same meetings you do. I only use this forum to rebut lies and misinformation that is put out there.
As for watching their "body of work" why dont you WATCH MANAGEMENT and be a part of the solution instead of the problem!!

 

[member6045]

I go to the same meetings you do. I only use this forum to rebut lies and misinformation that is put out there.
As for watching their "body of work" why dont you WATCH MANAGEMENT and be a part of the solution instead of the problem!!

Management hasn't changed much? One thing that has changed about you is your style. You came out like you where going to change the world! Now you took 3 big steps back and you allow company to do what ever they want!
* not honor seniority.
* drill us on DOK
* pull us off the road on accidents that don't fit the criteria of a serious accident.
* walk us off the job on non cardinal sin infractions! Do you realize what that does to the other members! And yes sometimes we do get our job back? But it proves that they have all the power! Keeping members working and protecting there union rights are your body of work!!!

 

[member6045]

Management hasn't changed much? One thing that has changed about you is your style. You came out like you where going to change the world! Now you took 3 big steps back and you allow company to do what ever they want!
* not honor seniority.
* drill us on DOK
* pull us off the road on accidents that don't fit the criteria of a serious accident.
* walk us off the job on non cardinal sin infractions! Do you realize what that does to the other members! And yes sometimes we do get our job back? But it proves that they have all the power! Keeping members working and protecting there union rights are your body of work!!!

You can do a better job! You promised 24 hour representation??? How about you on give representation long enough to account of am time!!!

 

[member6045]

What happened at that OCT 15th pension meeting! There all sorts of rumors going around! Someone said company refused to bring increase to a vote! They said Pete looked like he saw a ghost!!!

 

[just chillin']

from what i researched, i dont think there was ever a pension "meeting" on or scheduled for Oct 15th. it seams that Oct 15th is a deadline for a pension financial form to be filed with the IRS. form 5500 or in this case extended form 5558. from the IRS website...
"Pension and welfare benefit plans must generally file the Form 5500 to report their financial condition, investments and operations."
10/15: Extended Form 5500 must be filed (All Plans) .
ok so after i found that, i reread the "letter of intent" about the pension increase. to my understanding that letter states the increase was pretty much a done dealand signed off on as long as the supplement was ratified so no additional vote or meeting would be needed. i think the increase going into affect Jan 1 2014 all depended on what dollar numbers (for future contributions by the company) were filled into what blanks on that form 5500 that had to be submitted to the IRS by Oct 15th under the pension protection act. now this is just me speculating and using some common sense. i could be way off here but its food for thought for everyone and anyone hearing or spreading rumors.

 

[Inthegame]

from what i researched, i dont think there was ever a pension "meeting" on or scheduled for Oct 15th. it seams that Oct 15th is a deadline for a pension financial form to be filed with the IRS. form 5500 or in this case extended form 5558. from the IRS website...
"Pension and welfare benefit plans must generally file the Form 5500 to report their financial condition, investments and operations."
10/15: Extended Form 5500 must be filed (All Plans) .
ok so after i found that, i reread the "letter of intent" about the pension increase. to my understanding that letter states the increase was pretty much a done dealand signed off on as long as the supplement was ratified so no additional vote or meeting would be needed. i think the increase going into affect Jan 1 2014 all depended on what dollar numbers (for future contributions by the company) were filled into what blanks on that form 5500 that had to be submitted to the IRS by Oct 15th under the pension protection act. now this is just me speculating and using some common sense. i could be way off here but its food for thought for everyone and anyone hearing or spreading rumors.

Only a little off...L804 as is the case in every other non-green zone status plan, had the option of taking "Funding Relief". Funding Relief is a method of smoothing the losses of 2008 further into the future which allows plans to recalculate obligation status, but adds no real dollars so has little impact long term. That was done years ago as part of the Funding improvement plan required by the Pension Protection Act.
Oct 15th was the deadline to "opt-out" of Funding relief for 2014, which was necessary as plans in "Funding Relief" can not improve benefits.
All pretty technical stuff but fortunately with the increases negotiated by the incompetent Ken H and the IBT(sarcasm), L804 was able to negotiate increases and this improvement is possible. And fortunately L804 members recognized that with their overwhelming yes vote.

 

[bigd]

Only a little off...L804 as is the case in every other non-green zone status plan, had the option of taking "Funding Relief". Funding Relief is a method of smoothing the losses of 2008 further into the future which allows plans to recalculate obligation status, but adds no real dollars so has little impact long term. That was done years ago as part of the Funding improvement plan required by the Pension Protection Act.
Oct 15th was the deadline to "opt-out" of Funding relief for 2014, which was necessary as plans in "Funding Relief" can not improve benefits.
All pretty technical stuff but fortunately with the increases negotiated by the incompetent Ken H and the IBT(sarcasm), L804 was able to negotiate increases and this improvement is possible. And fortunately L804 members recognized that with their overwhelming yes vote.

Is that all you are going to tell the member?
You not going to say that the increase is a done deal?
Are you guys losing any sleep over this yet?
How about the pension fund actuary and his findings in pension increase?
Omg... Start praying!

 

[just chillin']

Only a little off...L804 as is the case in every other non-green zone status plan, had the option of taking "Funding Relief". Funding Relief is a method of smoothing the losses of 2008 further into the future which allows plans to recalculate obligation status, but adds no real dollars so has little impact long term. That was done years ago as part of the Funding improvement plan required by the Pension Protection Act.
Oct 15th was the deadline to "opt-out" of Funding relief for 2014, which was necessary as plans in "Funding Relief" can not improve benefits.
All pretty technical stuff but fortunately with the increases negotiated by the incompetent Ken H and the IBT(sarcasm), L804 was able to negotiate increases and this improvement is possible. And fortunately L804 members recognized that with their overwhelming yes vote.

so was i right to assume there was no meeting/vote on the 15th and there never was a meeting/vote needed? am i right to assume that the promissory letter was basically the "vote" for the increase in the first place? and lastly, am i right to assume that the increase is now an official "done deal" since we ratified by the Oct 15th deadline?

 

[bigd]

so was i right to assume there was no meeting/vote on the 15th and there never was a meeting/vote needed? am i right to assume that the promissory letter was basically the "vote" for the increase in the first place? and lastly, am i right to assume that the increase is now an official "done deal" since we ratified by the Oct 15th deadline?

Amazing how they don't want to answer a simple question!, letter of intent is was just that! Intent.
You see I can have the best intentions on buying a home and I send all paper necessary to the bank the get the home, closing comes and at the table the bank tells me mr. BigD you don't have enough money to close on this house and I say but your loan officer told me that I need it this much, so the bank saids is up to the underwriter to approve you and you don't have enough money to close this deal.

That's where we are right now my brother the pension actuary needs to ok this deal and satisfied the government that our pension fund will not decrease as direct result of this tentative pension increase. Than and only than the board of trustees can vote to increase the pension.
Worse of all is that this Eboard knew all of this and they still force the hand of our membership the vote yes!!!
And yes there was a meeting on 10/15/2013, by law they have to meet at least 4 times a year, no vote was taken!
No rumors here, pls read law sign by pres. Obama back in 2010, on funding relief.

http://www.nccmp.org/pdfs/Relief Bill Announcement.pdf

http://www.dol.gov/ebsa/pdf/c-notice091313018.pdf

 

[fedupups]

WOW fedupups ?? you really have NO CLUE.. about your supplemental agreement do you.... Can't layoff a driver to work VCD's #1 , Now drivers are protected and will get 8 hours as long as 2 part timers are on the clock thats # 2 ......

READ YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL AGREEMENT............

Off Routes..read before u post...are VCDS used during feb..march and april..NO...but they r used during summer can we both agree on that...if so...summer vacations increase...winter vacations decrease...meaning layoffs...do me a favor read before u post

 

[fedupups]

If any low seniority driver is worried about being laid off in Feb or March,he or she should take more of their vacation in those months. Or they can take the transfer to other buildings or bump 2 less senior part timers and work the pre-load. As for the "meeting " on the 15th , I believe Tim said at the union meeting this past sunday that we "came out of funding relief on Friday" (Oct 11th). The company and the union trustees meet again in December. But the contract was ratified BY the 15th, that is all that really mattered. Now the new number is locked in.
Again if any one has questions, call the hall!!

So what is the point of VCD'S??

 

[bigd]

When is Tim and co. Going to tell the membership what happen on the meeting with ups about the implementation of our supplement?

 

[fedupups]

I may be wrong but my understanding is nothing can be implemented in the supplement until master contract is passed...this means Election day is still double time this year...vacation picks are based on the current allotment(10% not 15%)...drivers can still retire after Jan 1st with increased pension(they will get retro if any applies)...looks like master will not pass until after peak..hopefully this board will not let UPS pick and choose what they may want to implement until every supplement is passed..also means a bigger retro check...keep track of your hours

 

[teamster 804]

Hey Big D so what is it that you are telling the members on here, are you trying to state that we are not getting a pension increase and that the current board is lying to us about the pension increase in order to push supplement through.Just curious because that seems to be the direction where all your posts are headed.

 

[804brown]

I may be wrong but my understanding is nothing can be implemented in the supplement until master contract is passed...this means Election day is still double time this year...vacation picks are based on the current allotment(10% not 15%)...drivers can still retire after Jan 1st with increased pension(they will get retro if any applies)...looks like master will not pass until after peak..hopefully this board will not let UPS pick and choose what they may want to implement until every supplement is passed..also means a bigger retro check...keep track of your hours

Election Day is triple time whether under the old supplement or the new one if you decide to work it. It was not lost. When we pick our vacations for next year, we will also pick which day we want to use as our Triple Time Day.
Also I think ups will allow us to pick at the 15 % rate because if they dont we will have to DO IT ALL AGAIN IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY so it might be wise of them to assume the 15% for next summer.

 

[Freedom From Incompetence]

Election Day is triple time whether under the old supplement or the new one if you decide to work it. It was not lost. When we pick our vacations for next year, we will also pick which day we want to use as our Triple Time Day.
Also I think ups will allow us to pick at the 15 % rate because if they dont we will have to DO IT ALL AGAIN IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY so it might be wise of them to assume the 15% for next summer.

My understanding of VCD'S is that it only pertains to package drivers. I'm hearing that casuals that are being hired for feeder for this free period (10/15 thru 1/15 ) are now being told by feeder Managers, "DONT WORRY WERE GOING TO HAVE ALOT OF AVAILABLE WORK FOR YOU DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS IN FEEDER TOO. Do u think that you just might have opened Pandoras box for VCD'S TO BE COMPANY WIDE???????????????? I'm pretty sure that if this is true the standard company response, because of their interpretation of this wonderful new article will be "WELL, IF U DON'T LIKE IT GRIEVE IT",

 

[not what i voted for]

My understanding of VCD'S is that it only pertains to package drivers. I'm hearing that casuals that are being hired for feeder for this free period (10/15 thru 1/15 ) are now being told by feeder Managers, "DONT WORRY WERE GOING TO HAVE ALOT OF AVAILABLE WORK FOR YOU DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS IN FEEDER TOO. Do u think that you just might have opened Pandoras box for VCD'S TO BE COMPANY WIDE???????????????? I'm pretty sure that if this is true the standard company response, because of their interpretation of this wonderful new article will be "WELL, IF U DON'T LIKE IT GRIEVE IT",

Let the games begin, is the key word Driver. Maybe you should ask Pete if you can find him, or did Liam take care of the feeder drivers so they get moore summer vacation!!! But they wont loose any money during peak with the use of casuals but it didnt say what would happen in the summer. Maybe we will have feeder qualified part timers like they do in other locals. Wait until the feeder drivers get this news.