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[BlackCat]

Dude you are so wrong it makes me ill you have no ability to reason.

^^^ The defense rests

 

[LagunaBrown]

It is called eyeballs you idiot.

Uh you Mean direct observation. Who is the idiot? So you want language where a supervisor can’t use their eyes to discipline an employee. What a great idea you should run with that one. You are a true leader for the vote no movement.

 

[BlackCat]

Uh you Mean direct observation. Who is the idiot? So you want language where a supervisor can’t use their eyes to discipline an employee. What a great idea you should run with that one. You are a true leader for the vote no movement.

WTF are you talking about?

I hope that the company pays for some of the cost of that helmet you are forced to wear all day.

 

[LagunaBrown]

WTF are you talking about?

I hope that the company pays for some of the cost of that helmet you are forced to wear all day.

You have no arguments. An employee can not be disciplined by technology. A supervisor needs to physically observe them messing up. What is your hang up?

 

[BlackCat]

So you're saying that one sentence is to cover employees in the Hub against discharge for missloads?

I am saying that an umbrella word like "employees" can provide a lot of protection, for a lot of people.

If article 6 was being used to protect inside employees, you can remove that from the bag of tricks.

 

[BigBrown87]

50% +1 participation is the key.

Without that, the contract passes.

I have no doubt there will be more 'no' votes.

Or 2/3 under 50% vote No sends it back as well, probably have a better chance then 50% of members voting.

 

[BlackCat]

You have no arguments. An employee can not be disciplined by technology. A supervisor needs to physically observe them messing up. What is your hang up?

Are you seriously making up arguments as you go a long?

NOBODY has claimed anything remotely close to what you are saying.

 

[542thruNthru]

I am saying that an umbrella word like "employees" can provide a lot of protection, for a lot of people.

If article 6 was being used to protect inside employees, you can remove that from the bag of tricks.

Yeah it honestly makes no sense to remove Employee and add Driver in its place. A Driver is a Employee so why even do it.

 

[BlackCat]

Yeah it honestly makes no sense to remove Employee and add Driver in its place. A Driver is a Employee so why even do it.

The cynic in me knows (at least I think I do) why.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Yeah it honestly makes no sense to remove Employee and add Driver in its place. A Driver is a Employee so why even do it.

Are you seriously making up arguments as you go a long?

NOBODY has claimed anything remotely close to what you are saying.

You guys call me when that language changes anything to discipline an employee. You can’t even give an example. What a waste of bandwidth.

 

[542thruNthru]

You guys call me when that change does anything to discipline an employee. It changes nothing.

So can you give a reason why they would even change it then? I mean I don't see them wasting their time just striking employee and replacing it with driver for absolutely no reason.

 

[LagunaBrown]

So can you give a reason why they would even change it then? I mean I don't see them wasting their time just striking employee and replacing it with driver for absolutely no reason.

Go back and read what I said.

 

[BlackCat]

Go back and read what I said.

Your writing makes it very difficult to go back and read ANYTHING that you wrote.

Here is how I see it....

In between your fits of rage and nonsensical rambling, I have been able to determine these three things.

You are either:

A. A bright-eyed newbie steward still trying to find his way through the web of deception spun from the IBT.
B. You are simply following directives from your superiors to get everyone on board or face the consequences.
C. You are receiving a kick-back

 

[542thruNthru]

You have no arguments. An employee can not be disciplined by technology. A supervisor needs to physically observe them messing up. What is your hang up?

This is what you said and with the old language I could agree. No where in here does it support that argument.

Go back and read what I said.

You both seem to be picking a single sentence out of a Article to make your point.

They changed it to Driver when it didn't need to be changed.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Your writing makes it very difficult to go back and read ANYTHING that you wrote.

Here is how I see it....

In between your fits of rage and nonsensical rambling, I have been able to determine these three things.

You are either:

A. A bright-eyed newbie steward still trying to find his way through the web of deception spun from the IBT.
B. You are simply following directives from your superiors to get everyone on board or face the consequences.
C. You are receiving a kick-back

You dont know . You can’t even give me an example of how it would change anything.

 

[LagunaBrown]

This is what you said and with the old language I could agree. No where in here does it support that argument.
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You both seem to be picking a single sentence out of a Article to make your point.

They changed it to Driver when it didn't need to be changed.

It clear as day to me. I been defending that language for over 13 years. Nothing will change. It was meant for drivers and now it’s clarified. You guys just can’t let it go because your too damn paranoid.

 

[panther]

Where's @TonyQ been?

 

[BlackCat]

I been defending that language for over 13 years

There is no way you have been a steward for 13 years.

 

[Karma is a bitch]

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[LagunaBrown]

There is no way you have been a steward for 13 years.

Dude you are clueless. Go run your conspiracy theories by a steward. I have gotten so many people out of discipline with this article. Only when it’s observed is there any issues.