Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[LagunaBrown]

Okay. There's a little loop hole in TCD position where you can get played a little more until you hit top rate. That's it? I wouldn't go for it. You didn't go for it. Now because of a permanent TCD position, people are left waiting even longer to get a real job. The RPCD job. Doesn't really sound like a good deal considering the added wait time.

Any advantage to being a 22.4? Reason indicates that it will simply increase the wait time to be a RPCD.

Actually it is weird but here it works. Your down playing the difference in pay for the 4 year progression. A few months before you know your going full time you go cover. Pension is huge too as well regular progression credits. It may be different where you are.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

It afford you an opportunity to make more money sooner than you would have waiting to go full time.

22.4 is another tier standing in the way of top rate. You're either confused or a liar. Probably both.

 

[LagunaBrown]

22.4 is another tier standing in the way of top rate. You're either confused or a liar. Probably both.

You are a meathead. I don’t think you have ever provided anything but your opinion.

 

[llamainmypocket]

Right, but assuming you're right and it works. 7 permanent TCD positions facilitates 7 fewer RPCD jobs. 22.4 is going to have the same effect on a 25% scale.

 

[llamainmypocket]

I trust you I would like to see it though. Thanks, I’m about to watch some football too.

You can go watch your football. I won't hold it against you if you don't respond. Not sure if I'll be available to argue tomorrow. I try to stay away from arguing out of respect for ones free will.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You are a meathead. I don’t think you have ever provided anything but your opinion.

22.4 is another tier standing in the way of top rate. That's a fact Tony.

Go sit on a flag pole.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Right, but assuming you're right and it works. 7 permanent TCD positions facilitates 7 fewer RPCD jobs. 22.4 is going to have the same effect on a 25% scale.

Not true. If they hire that many TCD’s and 22.4’s that means volume is up and if they are running newly established routes for 3 out of 5 days a week and they become bid routes. Bid routes can only be taked by RPCD’s and this needs to be RPCD hired to fill the bid to utility ratio. Also if more 22.4 are hired than run on Saturday they need to pay them a guaranteed 8.

 

[LagunaBrown]

You can go watch your football. I won't hold it against you if you don't respond. Not sure if I'll be available to argue tomorrow. I try to stay away from arguing out of respect for ones free will.

I appreciate it. Have a good night! For sure we can talk later. I know you read the contract and make good points.

 

[LagunaBrown]

22.4 is another tier standing in the way of top rate. That's a fact Tony.

Go sit on a flag pole.

Go put another 100 emoji charms on my posts. That is all your good for.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Go put another 100 emoji charms on my posts. That is all your good for.

22.4 is another tier standing in the way of the new guys waiting to get to top rate. Just own it Tony.

 

[llamainmypocket]

It may be in my supplement, but under my areas various agreements a 22.4 can bid on a 22.4 route.

I'm not sure you and eye see eye to eye on the idea that weekend volume will keep 22.4 suppressed meaningfully less than 25% BUT even if that's the case, let's say 15% 22.4s will mean relatively similar number of fewer RPCDs. That's a bad thing, right? A larger scale and in addition to the fewer RPCD jobs from TCDs.

 

[llamainmypocket]

Heh. You and eye. Accidental.

 

[llamainmypocket]

I appreciate it. Have a good night! For sure we can talk later. I know you read the contract and make good points.

Thanks.

 

[Slug Life]

Like when I posted Tyler’s two tier driver and guys post “creative”. It’s not really creative is it? If fact you can’t get more any more truthful about it than that. It was all funny at first till I realize there are a lot of vote no people are seriously straight up in denial. Don’t act like you don’t see it. I know you get me points.

Really stroking your own ego aren’t we?

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Not true. If they hire that many TCD’s and 22.4’s that means volume is up and if they are running newly established routes for 3 out of 5 days a week and they become bid routes. Bid routes can only be taked by RPCD’s and this needs to be RPCD hired to fill the bid to utility ratio. Also if more 22.4 are hired than run on Saturday they need to pay them a guaranteed 8.

If volume is up and 22.4 doesn't exist those will be full time package driver jobs (rpcd). You're trying to brag about less top rate jobs like it's a good thing somehow.

 

[Over disciplined0123]

Since when are we going out with peak season volume in beginning of September. I have never seen this amount of work in a September in 30 years . Almost doubling stop counts along with not getting out of building till 10am .. It’s sort of comical how they think that this will change our minds into voting YES for hybrid drivers so we are not working till 10 pm anymore ... FYI. It’s pissing all of us off even more . I knew one guy who was voting YES for his own reasons and now just changed his mind to a NO VOTE and actually volunteered for passing out VOTE NO on 22.4 signs.

 

[Slug Life]

If volume is up and 22.4 doesn't exist those will be full time package driver jobs (rpcd). You're trying to brag about less top rate jobs like it's a good thing somehow.

Agree yet the vote no guys are the idiots... Hmmm

 

[sandwich]

Ok, you were that group that did get screwed by working Saturday air. That was a big problem that did eventually get fixed. Correct me if I am wrong but there was also a hiring freeze at that time and you probably would have been stuck in the Hub if you didn’t take the TCD job. I know that situation because we had to deal with it here too. You really were i. a tough time and I totally get you voting no.

It was a blessing in disguise. Before the recession I was doing construction during the day and ups at night. Got pulled for TCD then a few years later the economy crashed. I would have lost my day and been stuck in the hub. That would have really sucked. I may not have lasted at ups if that were the case. The 6 day weeks for 8 1/2 years is almost worse in a way. The only bonus is stuff was cheap. I remember buying a new truck for cheap. Was also buying up almost new dirt bikes off craigslist for next to nothing. My buddies were all losing their stuff and I was buying it lol. So yeah. Times were good but it was tough being there 6 days a week for so long. I was among the 1st to go full time after the hiring freeze. That was the best day of my life. No more 6 day weeks and a raise straight to top rate.

 

[Time for change]

Without a doubt the company/IBT knows this isn’t passing. Sponsored social media vote yes ads, flury of propaganda, heads spinning over a young driver in Wisconsin being more effective than people paid to get us to vote yes. Historic no vote is happening.

 

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Ya know I gotta look up your stuff you look up mine and get back to me.

If your cover drivers get $10 less, than you should kick your negotiators ass.