Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Just A UPS Guy]

If your cover drivers get $10 less, than you should kick your negotiators ass.

West cover drivers make 70% of top rate for 6 months and then 75% after 6 months.

 

[sandwich]

If your cover drivers get $10 less, than you should kick your negotiators ass.

Let me help you so you can follow along.
Bid driver: full time driver with a bid route

Cover driver (aka cover driver, utility driver or swing driver depending on what region your in): full time driver with no bid route

TEMPORARY cover driver (aka. TCD this position is only in certain areas of the country. If you don't know what it is, chances are it's not in your building): part time cover driver

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

Let me help you so you can follow along.
Bid driver: full time driver with a bid route

Cover driver (aka cover driver, utility driver or swing driver depending on what region your in): full time driver with no bid route

TEMPORARY cover driver (aka. TCD this position is only in certain areas of the country. If you don't know what it is, chances are it's not in your building): part time cover driver

Contractually temporary, (ab)used in every possible way because we let it get that way. The language is in every area not named Oregon or New Jersey. Whether or not it is used in your building doesn't change its existence. Everyone outside of those two areas has some form of PT driver language.

 

[Smashmouth]

I have never seen so many vote no guys dish out negative emoji charms when when I post a fact and provide images of the contracts language. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE? You guys are so in denial and feed off each other’s misinformation. Most of you did not even know you already had two tier Drivers till I posted it here. You guys need to be honest and accept some truth.

Thank you for enlightening us Oh wise and powerful Vaginabrown, but as usual you are INCORRECT. TCDs are PART TIME! It is not a full time position and as such cannot be compared and considered equal to a full time position!
Let me break it down for you, sharpen your pencil and put your dunce...errr...thinking cap on so maybe you can understand. I’ll use a couple sports analogies to maybe help you out a bit.
See, a two tier system is like professional baseball, you've got the major leagues, where guys make a -ton of money, play 162 games a year. And you've got the minor leagues where guys dont make near as much, but play the same 162 games, same rules, same days, everything is the same except the money. If we had 22.4s and no TCDs, this would be the same type tiered system.
In the NFL, youve got the players that practice every day, play on Sunday and make a ton of money, and you've got the practice squad players who dont make near as much money and are PART TIME because they dont play on Sunday. If there are a number of injuries, they may get called up to fill in. This is NOT a two tiered system because practice squad players are part time, they don't play on sundays. This is like RPCDs and TCDs we have now.
Maybe one day you’ll understand a union is more then whats good for YOU, and standing together for the betterment of everyone is what its about. Maybe you can get off the practice squad and play with the big boys.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

TCDs are PART TIME! It is not a full time position and as such cannot be compared and considered equal to a full time position!

The argument is that, although they are contractually part time, they are consistently used at a FT pace. He feels that 22.4 is an upgrade to that because they will then be FT.

I disagree.

And most minor leagues play a 142 or 144 game season.

 

[Brownslave688]

Of all places a new fedex thread gave me this idea.

How about some paid maternity and paternity leave?

 

[Smashmouth]

The argument is that, although they are contractually part time, they are consistently used at a FT pace. He feels that 22.4 is an upgrade to that because they will then be FT.

I disagree.

And most minor leagues play a 142 or 144 game season.

I was used as a TCD for almost five years in the early ‘90s so I have first hand knowledge,but they are used like that because UPS abuses the language and always has, so whats going to happen with 22.4s? More abuse! And TCDs arent going away, so now there will be yet another hurdle for PTs and more ways around hiring full time/full pay drivers.

 

[Bubblehead]

What are the negative emojis? I wasn't aware we had any.

@LagunaBrown is an egomaniacal sociopath....and the emojis/charms drive him nuts.

Cracks me up, what a dick.

 

[silverbullet2893]

I have never seen so many vote no guys dish out negative emoji charms when when I post a fact and provide images of the contracts language. HOW STUPID CAN YOU BE? You guys are so in denial and feed off each other’s misinformation. Most of you did not even know you already had two tier Drivers till I posted it here. You guys need to be honest and accept some truth.

STFU

 

[silenze]

Contractually temporary, (ab)used in every possible way because we let it get that way. The language is in every area not named Oregon or New Jersey. Whether or not it is used in your building doesn't change its existence. Everyone outside of those two areas has some form of PT driver language.

We don't have language for them in Wisconsin so i can only assume it's that way for other parts of the central region

 

[Jackburton]

Of all places a new fedex thread gave me this idea.

How about some paid maternity and paternity leave?

Your wife got that right? My sister-in-law is a nurse for Northside hospital, sweet paid maternity and paternity leave.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

Sadly, the propaganda blitz will probably work.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I wonder how much shuffling of volume has been done. Seems like they were maybe holding some back for a few weeks, increasing stops per car so the guys working were out late, cutting routes so lower seniority were getting laid off. Some people have speculated that the spc issue was about the contract, but I wonder if they were doing more than just that to try to sway us.

 

[Time for change]

Sadly, the propaganda blitz will probably work.

What was it last contract 53-47? This contract is way worse and there is way more energy.

 

[Siveriano]

I wonder how much shuffling of volume has been done. Seems like they were maybe holding some back for a few weeks, increasing stops per car so the guys working were out late, cutting routes so lower seniority were getting laid off. Some people have speculated that the spc issue was about the contract, but I wonder if they were doing more than just that to try to sway us.

i always wonder how you guys mention "laid off" at our local every driver is guarantee 8 hours and there is even a special group of ol timer that grieve if they find out that they sent a lower seniority guy home instead of them.

 

[Brownslave688]

Your wife got that right? My sister-in-law is a nurse for Northside hospital, sweet paid maternity and paternity leave.

They get short term disability pay.


It's kind of a crappy set up. They force them to take all of their vacation that's left before they start STD.

So we kind of have a small window that she's willing to have a baby in. She's like I'm not having a baby in January then not having vacation for 9 months.

 

[SameRightsForAll]

You seem to be more concerned about what a no vote does to the company and customer retention than you are about what a yes vote does to UPS employees and future UPS employees.

Your inclination to think that a no vote is the end of the negotiations is unfounded. A no vote will not mean an immediate strike. It will send them back to the negotiating table. Whether or not UPS decides to negotiate any further is up to them. If not, then a strike may occur.

It's up to each individual to decide whether or not this contract serves them and their union brothers and sisters well. Some, such as yourself, are probably only worried about how this contract affects them. Others, good union members, worry about how this will affect everyone.

Your original question has been answered over and over, but since you don't agree, you take it as if your question isn't being answered. It's being answered and you're unwilling to accept their answers.

What are you worried about? We all know that democratic unions don't strike anymore. Even their threat of a strike is KNOWN to be only for "leverage" but we see how far this leverage goes in 2018, don't we. What the Teamsters did in 1997 will never happen again. It was a different day when good people fought against corporate greed, but based on a lot of the messages on this board I'm seeing more people embrace this greed and are willing to give back everything that was fought for in past contracts. Just the thought of knowing that the things won in the 1997 contract would only last a mere 21 years of a 25/35 year career makes me feel all democratic and toasty inside.

 

[johnny_hotdog]

Matt says he is a head steward!!! Feel bad for union employees in that building. I bet managment runs wild in that center.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

i always wonder how you guys mention "laid off" at our local every driver is guarantee 8 hours and there is even a special group of ol timer that grieve if they find out that they sent a lower seniority guy home instead of them.

Our language says you are guaranteed 8 hours if you show up and are put to work. You get 4 hours if you are scheduled but get sent home due to lack of work. If you are not scheduled, then you are laid off.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

I don't care what side of the argument you come down on, that video is disgraceful. I understand it's an expression of anger and frustration, but she is just a pawn and doesn't deserve to be treated so crassly. It makes the rest of us look bad. And the word is teleprompter, why is that so hard?