Voting Starts Next Week! How will you vote and why.

[Frankie's Friend]

So just maybe, the volume is heavier this week (just like last year and the year before) because of the 3 day weekend where everyone ordered stuff on line as they sat around enjoying the weekend. Discounts? Did they weather suck where you live? Guess what people did. Please take a deep breath, there is no conspiracy.

Do not forget this is also the last heavy vacation week for most centers....

This week always sucks

And if the surepost language changes to what is now proposed next year's labor day break will allow the company to send all our redirect work to the post office since we rolled a (1) trailer on tuesday.
The company sliced routes on Tues (in the hottest heat index yet) but rolled a trailer.

If the trailer has 5% they'll roll it and subcontract our work to the post office.

This is garbage.

 

[Inthegame]

What about the 100/200 dollar annual deductible that came with the last year of the 2013 contract, will we be paying that for the next five years?

Since the massive deductible you speak of is clearly written in the 2013-2018 CBA, you might want to check on the proposed language for your answer. Changes are bolded, otherwise language remains.

The short term disability in my area was 600 dollars before, with Team Care paying half and the company paying the difference. The improvement is that UPS does not have to cover the difference anymore. The continued medical coverage for the 26 weeks of short term disability is an improvement.

What? An improvement? And here I thought the proposal was laced with concessions.

My wife is a registered nurse who has worked in case management for major hospitals and insurance claims for one of the largest healthcare companies in the nation. I am going from her opinion that under Team Care is not the same as what we were under with the old Aetna plan before the 2013 contract. We are paying more on co-pays, annual deductibles and major medical.

News alert...yearly H&W costs have increased for a while. But since your wife has done an exhaustive comparison regarding health plans, could she direct us to a better plan for less money? I"ll wait.

Again with the company paying Team Care as of 8/17/18 461.92 a week into each of our individual health care coverage which equals 24,024 annually, also at the end of this contract it will be at 29,224 annually per full time employee, the question should be asked if we are getting our monies worth with these improvements.

We don't have individual accounts. TeamCare is a Taft Hartley, NOT FOR PROFIT, self funded, group coverage plan. What goes in, goes out to pay claims, with some left over to build reserves for anomalies in avg per month expenses.
A comparable private plan, if it exists, would costs 15-20% more as shareholders, not patients, would demand ROI.

Part timers are currently getting 295.57 a week going into just their Health and Welfare, which equals 15,444 annually going up to 17,004 at the end of this tentative. Is their coverages going to be inferior to the full timers and in what way?

TeamCare assesses costs fairly based on experience. PT's are generally younger (and healthier) without dependents, therefore less claims = lower costs.
Would you suggest PT's cost be equal to FT's?

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

That is horrible!! In New England, cover drivers go through regular progression but achieve top rate. We have life long bid cover position making $37 an hour.

Is that a part-time driver?

 

[gman042]

If the trailer has 5% they'll roll it and subcontract our work to the post office.

Speaking of which
I had the system flip a regular ground package and redirect it to the post office address.
Good address
Been there countless times
And yet it mysteriously gets sent to the post office
Seemed a little suspicious to me
Haha....I did my own version of the redirect. I delivered it where it was should have gone

 

[Coldworld]

And if the surepost language changes to what is now proposed next year's labor day break will allow the company to send all our redirect work to the post office since we rolled a (1) trailer on tuesday.
The company sliced routes on Tues (in the hottest heat index yet) but rolled a trailer.

If the trailer has 5% they'll roll it and subcontract our work to the post office.

This is garbage.

I don’t even want to know how much volume a year we are giving to our competition the post office...it’s total bs

 

[panther]

What was it last contract 53-47? This contract is way worse and there is way more energy.

I agree but its gonna take 130k votes. Thats twice as many as 2013.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I agree but its gonna take 130k votes. Thats twice as many as 2013.

Never gonna happen.

 

[siouxman]

How I long for the days when we only had to put up with doublespeak and condescension from management. Now we get to hear it from those who are there to represent us.

And in regards to her statement rebutting the 6 months, 30% on the dollar thing. You talk tough, Local blah blah blah would never put up with that. That is the experience at the majority of the locals. They settle, taking the path of least resistance. Just like you did with this contract negotiations. Not a whole lot the employee can do in the moment when their union rep bails on them. Have to try and vote them out at the next election is their only recourse at that point, which certainly should happen to all who push this TA, including her!!

I think she might be a great person to have in the room when your meeting with the center manager

 

[Time for change]

Never gonna happen.

Your boy Hoffa will go against the will of the majority of voters? His days are numbered.

 

[Time for change]

I agree but its gonna take 130k votes. Thats twice as many as 2013.

Are you sure? I thought 35% voted in 2013? Would mean we need about 40,000 more voters. I have never seen energy like this for a vote, most contract votes nobody cares.

 

[Smashmouth]

And where is this secret "few weeks" of volume stored? Get a grip folks.

I think more then likely, companies diverted some volume to competitors before the handshake agreement, just to cover their asses in case of a strike, and now that volume is returning and coming on line and pumping us up a bit. Also, i think the company is advancing volume some days. We will be a bit lighter a couple days and they will quietly call people to take days off, and then the next three days its balls to the walls, no one off, all TCDs working.

 

[DELACROIX]

Since the massive deductible you speak of is clearly written in the 2013-2018 CBA, you might want to check on the proposed language for your answer. Changes are bolded, otherwise language remains.
What? An improvement? And here I thought the proposal was laced with concessions.
News alert...yearly H&W costs have increased for a while. But since your wife has done an exhaustive comparison regarding health plans, could she direct us to a better plan for less money? I"ll wait.
We don't have individual accounts. TeamCare is a Taft Hartley, NOT FOR PROFIT, self funded, group coverage plan. What goes in, goes out to pay claims, with some left over to build reserves for anomalies in avg per month expenses.
A comparable private plan, if it exists, would costs 15-20% more as shareholders, not patients, would demand ROI.
TeamCare assesses costs fairly based on experience. PT's are generally younger (and healthier) without dependents, therefore less claims = lower costs.
Would you suggest PT's cost be equal to FT's?

I claimed a deductible, never stated it was massive. I know that our Health and Welfare benefits will only be addressed by Article 34 (Master), 50 cents increase per hour on a 40 hour workweek. The benefits provided is strictly up to Team Care annual budgeting and it's individual contracts with separate Health Care Providers. I agree the future of our Health and Welfare benefits depends on any major increases to provide the same promised coverages, that is why with the last two years of this contract the Union has the right to move some of our Pension Contributions into the H/W plans if necessary. The contributory numbers that I provided are from a old pamphlet from the 2013 contract provided by the International..I have no issue with the Teamsters controlling our Health and Welfare benefits, they really had no choice in the matter with the last contract. The change of heart that the company had to bale out of covering their UNION employees showed their concern over the rising cost associated with Health Coverages, it was a exact reversal from previous contracts when they wanted total control.

It least when I see an improvement I admit it, still a concessionary contract.

I understand how Health and Welfare plans work (Non-Profit) are you claiming that it would cost an additional 15-20 % for Team Care to break even or make a profit. I believe that they are doing well currently with the increasing costs associated with our coverages, that is why it really is not the hot topic as the 22.4s, GWI and Pension's increases.

Generally most of the Part timers that work for us are covered also under their parent's plan if they are under 26 years old. True they are for the most part younger and single and do not costs as much as us old timers. This contract does have a different formula in Article 34 that has the part timer's contribution into their Health and Welfare increasing at .30 per hour on a 20 hour workweek, the rest of the .70 is presumingly going into their Pension.

 

[wide load]

Is that a part-time driver?

We don’t have part time drivers. All our drivers work full time, get full pension and health.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

That is horrible!! In New England, cover drivers go through regular progression but achieve top rate. We have life long bid cover position making $37 an hour.

Is that a part-time driver?

Disregard, I replied before I saw your next post. All time as a Cover Driver counts toward progression, but they don't top out.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

We don’t have part time drivers. All our drivers work full time, get full pension and health.

That's what a Cover Driver is in the west, a PT employee who is driver-qualified to allow for more vacations and days off, in theory. In reality, they are used daily and abused at the will of the company. Similar to how a 22.4 will be. I just don't agree that a second-class driver is the answer to a second-class driver.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Your boy Hoffa will go against the will of the majority of voters?

The IBT General President is bound by the IBT constitution.


50% of the UPS membership voting.... And then, a 2/3 majority voting no ?

I just don't see it happening.

His days are numbered.

That's what they said in the last election.

 

[Ancient Alien]

3-4 decades at UPS does have you talking to yourself.

So with that said, Amazon just ordered 20,000 delivery, sprinter vans (with AC no doubt), this 20,000 is in addition to their already large fleet. THESE ARE NON UNION JOBS!

I searched the number of cities in the U.S. with a population of 25,000 or more and it's right at 1500 cities.

You all are playing with fire on a potential strike thinking this is 1997!

Risking it all for that October,2018 new hire driver 22.4 named Shannon with the sleeve tattoos!

 

[Kamikaze]

What would be the point of answering? You would not believe whatever I say. Your whole game here is to get under my skin so I slip up and say something. What are you qualifications for taking over my job? Do you have any experience in contract negotiation, organizing or processing grievances? Have you ever filed a grievance?

Have you ever filed a grievance? No, cause you’re just a former Georgetown graduate that pretends to be a Teamster.

 

[Time for change]

I claimed a deductible, never stated it was massive. I know that our Health and Welfare benefits will only be addressed by Article 34 (Master), 50 cents increase per hour on a 40 hour workweek. The benefits provided is strictly up to Team Care annual budgeting and it's individual contracts with separate Health Care Providers. I agree the future of our Health and Welfare benefits depends on any major increases to provide the same promised coverages, that is why with the last two years of this contract the Union has the right to move some of our Pension Contributions into the H/W plans if necessary. The contributory numbers that I provided are from a old pamphlet from the 2013 contract provided by the International..I have no issue with the Teamsters controlling our Health and Welfare benefits, they really had no choice in the matter with the last contract. The change of heart that the company had to bale out of covering their UNION employees showed their concern over the rising cost associated with Health Coverages, it was a exact reversal from previous contracts when they wanted total control.

It least when I see an improvement I admit it, still a concessionary contract.

I understand how Health and Welfare plans work (Non-Profit) are you claiming that it would cost an additional 15-20 % for Team Care to break even or make a profit. I believe that they are doing well currently with the increasing costs associated with our coverages, that is why it really is not the hot topic as the 22.4s, GWI and Pension's increases.

Generally most of the Part timers that work for us are covered also under their parent's plan if they are under 26 years old. True they are for the most part younger and single and do not costs as much as us old timers. This contract does have a different formula in Article 34 that has the part timer's contribution into their Health and Welfare increasing at .30 per hour on a 20 hour workweek, the rest of the .70 is presumingly going into their Pension.

If they were smart they would have an opt in or out ability with insurance. Some married couples or people under 26 don’t need the insurance. Think if someone could take a couple grand a year instead of insurance if they were already covered. Talk about a win/win. Would have the potential to save a ton of money.

 

[Brownslave688]

Since when are we going out with peak season volume in beginning of September. I have never seen this amount of work in a September in 30 years . Almost doubling stop counts along with not getting out of building till 10am .. It’s sort of comical how they think that this will change our minds into voting YES for hybrid drivers so we are not working till 10 pm anymore ... FYI. It’s pissing all of us off even more . I knew one guy who was voting YES for his own reasons and now just changed his mind to a NO VOTE and actually volunteered for passing out VOTE NO on 22.4 signs.

Holiday weeks are always really heavy. 5 days of work gets crammed into 4.


Did you just start here?