22.4

[Brownslave688]

Maybe they were tired of hearing us complain about working weekends and excessive overtime, so they just threw a solution out there, which was 22.4

Yeah. I guess we will see if drivers are dumb enough to cut their own head off.

 

[PT Car Washer]

So a 22.4 is a combo job where after your preload shift you deliver ground for 4 hours? And the pay is 30 an hour?

Maybe 4 hours. Maybe 2 hours or 8+ hours. Who knows what the pay rate will be but you can bet it will be a lot less then top driver rate.

 

[brown_trousers]

Yeah. I guess we will see if drivers are dumb enough to cut their own head off.

It shouldnt come to that. If it's that bad of an idea, our negotiators should reject the idea outright. Otherwise, what was the point in giving them strike authority?

 

[PT Car Washer]

Maybe they were tired of hearing us complain about working weekends and excessive overtime, so they just threw a solution out there, which was 22.4

Art 22.4 will be FT drivers replacements eventually. Except for a few die hard red circle drivers.

 

[Brisket]

Your right on that I just like the idea of no forced OT I guess and the pension doesn’t bother me as much because I’m already part time and I’ve been trying to plan my retirement around my part time pension and part time wage 401k along with my lawn service on the side

Matty???? Is that you?!? Lol

J/k

 

[MAKAVELI]

I think UPS is taking a cue from the FedEx playbook.

 

[Blackstream]

Nobody wants to work for it anymore.

I think a lot of people do want to work for it, they just don't want to work the excessive overtime many fulltimers have to work right now. I'd prefer the happy medium between too few hours with PTers getting 25-30, and too many hours with FTers getting 50-60.

Not that I've had the option to go full time inside yet anyways, even after 8 years. But fixing excessive overtime is still on my list of issues I'm watching out for this contract because I'd like to go full time someday.

 

[MDX91]

A 22.4 employee starting out at 27 an hour and tipping out a buck an hour over a 22.3 position is such a deal breaker. This is a potential 6,000 more full-time jobs. Tuesday through Saturday and Sunday through Sunday. What is reasonable? I'm all ears...

Starting at $27? Ending a dollar over 22.3? What does 22.3 max out at? I thought I read on some news article that it would be starting at $15. On a seperate note, this kind of happens when a company that is owned by employees sells itself out to shareholders. Also, the union.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I think a lot of people do want to work for it, they just don't want to work the excessive overtime many fulltimers have to work right now. I'd prefer the happy medium between too few hours with PTers getting 25-30, and too many hours with FTers getting 50-60.

Not that I've had the option to go full time inside yet anyways, even after 8 years. But fixing excessive overtime is still on my list of issues I'm watching out for this contract because I'd like to go full time someday.

If you go full time, expect to work a lot of hours

 

[Blackstream]

If you go full time, expect to work a lot of hours

I do... I just hope that a lot in the future means 10 hour days and not 12 hour days. Maybe that's a pipe dream now, but I remember a time it wasn't even in the short time I've been here, and I'd like to see a return to those days. Strong 9.5 language would probably would go a long way here if a better solution can't be found.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Not paying top driver rate is a bad deal but the way I see it is if you deliver for 4 hrs and go in the hub on the bulk belt or yard shift for 4 more hrs with out OT being forced that’s not that bad. If there’s a strong language stating anything over 4 hrs on road will result in to driver pay for the remainder of the day then that’s a good deal. And maybe a full time pension

I'd even be glad if they treated it like TCD. Bump their rate to 85% of driver pay if they are over 4 on road.

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Which is amazing, considering its right to work and a lot fewer members can vote.

The membership in the south is actually pretty stong numbers wise even though it's RTW.

My hub only has 2 drivers non union, and a few local sort not union. Everyone else signs up.

 

[Poop Head]

Well, if I know UPS they will shift as much work as they can to the lower paying jobs so workload and production harassment for FT drivers should decrease.

You don't think they'll try to find ways to make ft drivers quit?

 

[dogs.bite.me]

So a 22.4 is a combo job where after your preload shift you deliver ground for 4 hours? And the pay is 30 an hour?

I've heard mid twenties.

2 year progression to get to the mid twenties as well

 

[dogs.bite.me]

You don't think they'll try to find ways to make ft drivers quit?

From.what I understand. If a full time driver quits that position doesn't disappear. It needs to be filled. Presumably by the top Senior 22.4 position

 

[Poop Head]

I've heard mid twenties.

2 year progression to get to the mid twenties as well

You shouldn't be delivering ground for any less than I do. Especially if youre gonna do it on the weekend.

From.what I understand. If a full time driver quits that position doesn't disappear. It needs to be filled. Presumably by the top Senior 22.4 position

Riiiiiiiiggghhhtt

 

[dogs.bite.me]

Riiiiiiiiggghhhtt

Just telling you what I I've heard.

Current FT driving positions are red circle and will not be eliminated if the person quits, retires, or is fired. Was told it would be filled.

As far as creating new top rate positions, didn't hear a peep.

 

[Brownslave688]

It shouldnt come to that. If it's that bad of an idea, our negotiators should reject the idea outright. Otherwise, what was the point in giving them strike authority?

Ummm they came up with the idea.

 

[Jones]

You don't think they'll try to find ways to make ft drivers quit?

Nah, not a conspiracy theorist.

 

[Coldworld]

If you go full time, expect to work a lot of hours

60 hours a week is bs....