70 Hour Rule, Merry Christmas

[MAKAVELI]

Depends on the route. I've done a few rural routes that I can do with pretty easy with only taking my 10 paid. Which means you'd be paid for every second of the day

That's a double-edged sword. If you're working 14 hours without a break then you can expect them to increase workloads.

 

[Dracula]

Uber isn't contained by DOT laws. At least last time I checked they weren't. There was a big lawsuit about it

There's different rules for passenger and person property carrying drivers.

 

[Dracula]

You've yet to explain how it's breaking DOT law.


You're allowed to work up to 14 hours a day (actually you can work more you just can't drive after 14) 14x5=70.


I mean this is really simple stuff.

Okay.

 

[Brownslave688]

That's a double-edged sword. If you're working 14 hours without a break then you can expect them to increase workloads.

For sure.


Anymore the longer I work the more of my hour break I take.


The company would really be dumb to push it too close to 14 expecting someone to skip all of their break.

 

[Brownslave688]

Okay.

Seriously.



Let's make this very simple.


What's illegal about a package car driver working 14 hours?


I seriously want to know where our interpretations differ.

 

[Dracula]

You've yet to explain how it's breaking DOT law.


You're allowed to work up to 14 hours a day (actually you can work more you just can't drive after 14) 14x5=70.


I mean this is really simple stuff.

How about you post some details where it says you can work 70 hours in 5 days. Show me that, and I'll go away.

 

[Brownslave688]

How about you post some details where it says you can work 70 hours in 5 days. Show me that, and I'll go away.

You can work 14 hours per day. Therefore one can work 70 hours in 5 days.


This is assuming one is under the 70 hour max language not the 60.


Just because it says it's 70/8 doesn't mean those 70 hours have to be spread out over 8 days.

 

[MAKAVELI]

For sure.


Anymore the longer I work the more of my hour break I take.


The company would really be dumb to push it too close to 14 expecting someone to skip all of their break.

Out here in Cali at Express we would have to take 2 30 min breaks in that 14 hour day. We would also get 3 paid 10 min breaks.

 

[MAKAVELI]

You can work 14 hours per day. Therefore one can work 70 hours in 5 days.


This is assuming one is under the 70 hour max language not the 60.


Just because it says it's 70/8 doesn't mean those 70 hours have to be spread out over 8 days.

The 10 hours between shifts could make that hard to do in 5 days.

 

[Brownslave688]

Out here in Cali at Express we would have to take 2 30 min breaks in that 14 hour day. We would also get 3 paid 10 min breaks.

Yes state laws may differ and also some locals enforce taking the full hour more than others.

 

[Brownslave688]

The 10 hours between shifts could make that hard to do in 5 days.

24-14=10.


Honestly the easiest way to do it would be clock out a few minutes before 14 hours Monday thru Thursday then save your 10 minute paid for Friday after you're back at the building.

 

[Faceplanted]

It appears my center has totally given up on even attempting to bring the left in building stuff out to us.

Total failure... no way we will catch up, especially if they fire all of us "slackers" next week as they said they would for not showing up on Saturday's. They seem to have awoken a sleeping bear, it's to the point where even the new drivers are fed up and pissed off and are now moving at veteran pace. Good job managment team!!!

 

[Brownslave688]

dp

 

[MAKAVELI]

24-14=10.


Honestly the easiest way to do it would be clock out a few minutes before 14 hours Monday thru Thursday then save your 10 minute paid for Friday after you're back at the building.

I said hard not impossible. Factor in commute time eating and getting ready you are talking about 3 - 4 hours of sleep at best.

 

[Brownslave688]

I said hard not impossible. Factor in commute time eating and getting ready you are talking about 3 - 4 hours of sleep at best.

That really depends on your commute.


My old home and center I woke up 20-30 minutes before start time and could easily be in bed an hour after getting home.


By no means am I advocating for this. Simply saying it can be done legally.

 

[Faceplanted]

I'm getting wasted. Tito's and pabst makes me sleep well.

Hopefully I'm hung over and have 20 stops off by 1pm as I have for most of peak.

 

[Dracula]

You can work 14 hours per day. Therefore one can work 70 hours in 5 days.


This is assuming one is under the 70 hour max language not the 60.


Just because it says it's 70/8 doesn't mean those 70 hours have to be spread out over 8 days.

Interesting. You have a very optimistic view if DOT regulations.

 

[Brownslave688]

Interesting. You have a very optimistic view if DOT regulations.

It's not optimistic at all it's how they've been interpreted since being implemented. The 60/7 law has nothing to do with spreading 60 hours over 7 days of work.


It's what makes the 70 hour change so rough for upsers. I don't think it was written for people that will have a 34 hour reset each week. Since package car drivers will reset every week. There's no rolling hours for us. We start new each week.


Some guys were already confused because they worked 80+ from last Monday to this Monday. That would be 80+\8 but it doesn't matter because they reset over the weekend.

 

[over9five]

Agreed. Can't believe the amount of grown men thrown into a tizzy because they can't do simple math...

 

[Dracula]

It's not optimistic at all it's how they've been interpreted since being implemented. The 60/7 law has nothing to do with spreading 60 hours over 7 days of work.


It's what makes the 70 hour change so rough for upsers. I don't think it was written for people that will have a 34 hour reset each week. Since package car drivers will reset every week. There's no rolling hours for us. We start new each week.


Some guys were already confused because they worked 80+ from last Monday to this Monday. That would be 80+\8 but it doesn't matter because they reset over the weekend.

Well, then, package car runs a different set of DOT rules than feeders. Rules which don't appear in the DOT manual. The 60/7 rule is exactly what you say it isn't. In feeders, we cannot go over 60 hours in a 7 day period, if we are on road, and don't reset.