Air Driving Question

[PT Car Washer]

Air combination job language is in Article 40 also.

True and my building has used the language in Art 40 under combination air driver to cut their inside rate to whatever their PT seniority pay would be.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

True and my building has used the language in Art 40 under combination air driver to cut their inside rate to whatever their PT seniority pay would be.

That's what they are doing in our building currently. Driver wage when on road, but anything after or before in building it's seniority scale.

 

[PT Car Washer]

That's what they are doing in our building currently. Driver wage when on road, but anything after or before in building it's seniority scale.

FT air driver wage and PT inside rate. New guys are in for quite a shock when they win a new 22.3 preload/air driver bid.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

FT air driver wage and PT inside rate. New guys are in for quite a shock when they win a new 22.3 preload/air driver bid.

Both of our guys are PT bid air drivers. Go to the airport every day, retrieve the air. Lately we rarely shuttle to drivers if air is late. So they will work the sort for a while and then sometimes Porter. For their entire career up until 1 months ago, they've gotten air pay for their entire day if they drive. Now it's split. A grievance has been filed, our BA is out to lunch.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Both of our guys are PT bid air drivers. Go to the airport every day, retrieve the air. Lately we rarely shuttle to drivers if air is late. So they will work the sort for a while and then sometimes Porter. For their entire career up until 1 months ago, they've gotten air pay for their entire day if they drive. Now it's split. A grievance has been filed, our BA is out to lunch.

PT air drivers only have a 3 1/2 hr gurantee. How long is their day?

 

[KearsargeCoop]

PT air drivers only have a 3 1/2 hr gurantee. How long is their day?

They're lucky to get 3.5

 

[KearsargeCoop]

They're lucky to get 3.5

Our center manager is saying if they volunteer to stay to fill out their 3.5, they get inside wage. If he asks them to stay and work, they get they're air pay and he has to put in a payroll correction.

 

[PT Car Washer]

They're lucky to get 3.5

Our PT EAM drivers are lucky to get 2.5 to 3 hrs. Not sure about their pay rate for their 3.5. Good question. FT and PT air drivers are starving for sure. I am fortunate I have other financial resources to get me by until retirement.

 

[Commercial Inside Release]

Ding dong the air witch is done.

 

[fortysixand2]

I filed a grievance and as soon as my center manager was notified about it, I was driving the next week. Now both the part-time driver and I are working. Didn't even have to go to a hearing. Weird. It's almost like he knew he was wrong.

 

[KearsargeCoop]

I filed a grievance and as soon as my center manager was notified about it, I was driving the next week. Now both the part-time driver and I are working. Didn't even have to go to a hearing. Weird. It's almost like he knew he was wrong.

User name a Tool reference?

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

User name a Tool reference?

Has to be.

 

[got2bh3]

That's what they are doing in our building currently. Driver wage when on road, but anything after or before in building it's seniority scale.

True and my building has used the language in Art 40 under combination air driver to cut their inside rate to whatever their PT seniority pay would be.

Has the union fought it?

 

[KearsargeCoop]

Grievance was filed 5 weeks ago no word yet. We have asked our BA numerous times to visit as our center to discuss a few ongoing issues but haven't seen him.

 

[Backlasher]

Any suggestions on how to deal with Union rats who use the Union and the contract and management to bring harm to a fellow Union member. It in no way benefits the rats or helps other Union members but is only done to bring harm both financially and to a persons good name.

It is not to bring harm to another union member. The whole intention of the language stated is to protect full time Union jobs. That's the entire point and if the company is using part timers to do a full-time job, possibly two part timers to break up a full-time position, etc, then it needs to be stopped via the JOC. If it stalls then it needs to be brought up to the NLRB because we can't have the company hiding/dissolving full-time positions into part-time, regardless if your local agreed to it. Protection of full-time positions amd also creating full-time positions is the primary goal for any and all Unions. Hey, this could actually benefit you in that the language can force the company to make you a full-time employee. You need to understand the bigger picture and what a Union is truly all about. Part-time positions in fact go against the very root of what Unions were created for. Unions fought hard for decades to bring the workforce to an 8 hour day, 40 hour work week. They fought hard to protect the workforce in a more sustainable full-time position and not positions that starved workers of hours/pay, (part time hours), and also fought against excessive work hours. Hence, why the company gets penalties having to pay 1.5x for overtime over 8, for a 6th punch, and 2x if they work Sundays or whatever that employees 7th day might be.

 

[Backlasher]

PT air drivers work under Art 40. Art 40 supersedes all other Articles in the contract.

All air drivers do, including part-time and full-time air drivers are under Art 40.

 

[PT Car Washer]

It is not to bring harm to another union member. The whole intention of the language stated is to protect full time Union jobs. That's the entire point and if the company is using part timers to do a full-time job, possibly two part timers to break up a full-time position, etc, then it needs to be stopped via the JOC. If it stalls then it needs to be brought up to the NLRB because we can't have the company hiding/dissolving full-time positions into part-time, regardless if your local agreed to it. Protection of full-time positions amd also creating full-time positions is the primary goal for any and all Unions. Hey, this could actually benefit you in that the language can force the company to make you a full-time employee. You need to understand the bigger picture and what a Union is truly all about. Part-time positions in fact go against the very root of what Unions were created for. Unions fought hard for decades to bring the workforce to an 8 hour day, 40 hour work week. They fought hard to protect the workforce in a more sustainable full-time position and not positions that starved workers of hours/pay, (part time hours), and also fought against excessive work hours. Hence, why the company gets penalties having to pay 1.5x for overtime over 8, for a 6th punch, and 2x if they work Sundays or whatever that employees 7th day might be.

All high and mighty words until you realize UPS is one of the largest PT employer in the country with more PT jobs then FT.

 

[Backlasher]

All high and mighty words until you realize UPS is one of the largest PT employer in the country with more PT jobs then FT.

I've been here nearly 2 decades, so I've known this for quite some time. I also blame the Union for allowing it to happen.

 

[Backlasher]

Are these air drivers delivering only "air exception packages"?

....and are you a true "full-time air driver", or hold a 22.3 job you're laid off from with air driving content?

Honestly, regardless of what service the part-time air drivers are delivering, full-time ground drivers and full-time air drivers should have first rights and the list of them exhausted before any part timer goes out. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Bubblehead]

Honestly, regardless of what service the part-time air drivers are delivering, full-time ground drivers and full-time air drivers should have first rights and the list of them exhausted before any part timer goes out. Wouldn't you agree?

I don't think it's quite that simple and not supported by any particular contractual language beyond daily and weekly guarantees.

....but I do understand the semantics of your position.