Capital Punishment

[MAKAVELI]

Its on the internet--it must be true

That's what Drumpf says......

 

[Catatonic]

Even one innocent person on death row is 'a lot'.

Which indicates that you and I approach real life situations a bit differently at certain times.
I tend to push emotion down when I evaluate a situation ... not saying doing so is better ... just different.

 

[It will be fine]

Which indicates that you and I approach real life situations a bit differently at certain times.
I tend to push emotion down when I evaluate a situation ... not saying doing so is better ... just different.

In this case the only reason to support the state killing people is emotional. It's not an effective detterent for crime so it's only purpose is vengance, an emotional response.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

"Choke me in the shallow waters before I get too deep"
?

Shove.

 

[wkmac]

Even one innocent person on death row is 'a lot'.

If you don't already know, you will appreciate what is called Blackstone's Formulation.

At one time I was pro death penalty but the deeper I studied the issue, historical and contemporary, the more I came to oppose it. Also watching the growing number of convicted people cleared by such as the Innocence Project raises the specter that what takes place in a courtroom can and often is out of political expedience as opposed to actual justice. My wife also works in law so I've seen it up close, especially the political angle that overwhelms the noble idea of justice.

 

[moreluck]

The "noble idea of justice" is lost on the 9th Circuit court of appeals.

 

[Catatonic]

In this case the only reason to support the state killing people is emotional. It's not an effective deterrent for crime so it's only purpose is vengeance, an emotional response.

I agree!
I tend to look at costs and effectiveness and efficiency.
My previous posts indicate this and I voted "NO".

 

[It will be fine]

The "noble idea of justice" is lost on the 9th Circuit court of appeals.

This is where I get lost with proponents of the death penalty. On one hand many supporters will decry the failures of the judiciary, then on the other they are willing to grant them the authority to kill. So many conservatives claim the government is corrupt but are in favor of that corrupt institution killing their fellow citizens as if in this one instance there are no potential faults in the system.

 

[It will be fine]

I agree!
I tend to look at costs and effectiveness and efficiency.
My previous posts indicate this and I voted "NO".

Sorry, it's hard to tell with you sometimes and I was too lazy to go back in the thread.

 

[moreluck]

This is where I get lost with proponents of the death penalty. On one hand many supporters will decry the failures of the judiciary, then on the other they are willing to grant them the authority to kill. So many conservatives claim the government is corrupt but are in favor of that corrupt institution killing their fellow citizens as if in this one instance there are no potential faults in the system.

The person is found guilty by a jury first....usually

 

[It will be fine]

The person is found guilty by a jury first....usually

What's your point? Jurys can be wrong. There are plenty of cases that have been overturned. The state should not be administering final solutions. You can't bring someone back to life if you mess up.

 

[vantexan]

This is where I get lost with proponents of the death penalty. On one hand many supporters will decry the failures of the judiciary, then on the other they are willing to grant them the authority to kill. So many conservatives claim the government is corrupt but are in favor of that corrupt institution killing their fellow citizens as if in this one instance there are no potential faults in the system.

And so many liberals feel big government is the answer to everything except the military, border control, and criminal justice.

 

[wkmac]

And so many liberals feel big government is the answer to everything except the military, border control, and criminal justice.

So true and in the case of conservatives, military, border and crime is their own form of centralized socialism.

 

[wayfair]

"Every prison cell should be outfitted with a ceiling noose. Why should the convicts be forced to use dirty bed sheets to off themselves?"

 

[wkmac]

"Every prison cell should be outfitted with a ceiling noose. Why should the convicts be forced to use dirty bed sheets to off themselves?"

You should gladly pay double taxation to achieve those ends to prove to everyone how committed you are to such an idea.

 

[wayfair]

You should gladly pay double taxation to achieve those ends to prove to everyone how committed you are to such an idea.

not my idea.... notice how I quoted the statement?

 

[wkmac]

not my idea.... notice how I quoted the statement?

Next time post the source, otherwise man up and own it.

 

[bottomups]

You probably believe politicians don't lie either.

Trump does.

 

[bottomups]

That's another thing....how the heck does someone get to 400 lbs on prison food? Lol.

Nutraloaf.

 

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Nutraloaf.

That looks disgusting.