Gov healthcare

[tieguy]

My uncle in germany recently experienced the benifits of socialized health care. He went into the hospital not feeling well. It took these salaried health care workers a week to figure out that my uncle suffered from Liver failure. He was then told they could not do anything for him. He died 20 hours later. The circumstances prevent us from asking a lot of detailed questions when we got the bad news last week but what I've heard is disturbing. I've never heard of an american hospital taking a week to diagnose liver failure.

 

[Lue C Fur]

My uncle in germany recently experienced the benifits of socialized health care. He went into the hospital not feeling well. It took these salaried health care workers a week to figure out that my uncle suffered from Liver failure. He was then told they could not do anything for him. He died 20 hours later. The circumstances prevent us from asking a lot of detailed questions when we got the bad news last week but what I've heard is disturbing. I've never heard of an american hospital taking a week to diagnose liver failure.

They most likely wanted to run some tests but had to ask the goverment for permission first. Sorry to hear about your loss.

 

[bbsam]

My uncle in germany recently experienced the benifits of socialized health care. He went into the hospital not feeling well. It took these salaried health care workers a week to figure out that my uncle suffered from Liver failure. He was then told they could not do anything for him. He died 20 hours later. The circumstances prevent us from asking a lot of detailed questions when we got the bad news last week but what I've heard is disturbing. I've never heard of an american hospital taking a week to diagnose liver failure.

I too am sorry to hear of your loss, but I think it could have happened here as well. Hell doctors here have cut off the wrong limb, left surgical sponges in patients, and the list goes on and on. As far as diagnosis goes, my sister-in-law went years being told that she was allergic to just about every edible substance in grocery store. Finally found out six months ago it was a freakin' tape-worm! So it seems to me that these cases exist in every health care system, socialized or for profit. Why do you think medical malpractice insurance is so expensive? It's because doctors, no matter how careful and thorough the aim to be, are human and will make mistakes. And when doctors and surgeons make mistakes the results can be catastrophic or in your uncle's case, deadly.

 

[wkmac]

Just read an article about the whole healthcare debate and found it rather interesting.

Just thought I'd pass it on!

 

[Jones]

Just read an article about the whole healthcare debate and found it rather interesting.

Just thought I'd pass it on!

From the article:

The fact that we’re dealing in the U.S. with a choice between two or more alternative state-private mixes is one reason I haven’t gotten too worked up about the whole Obamacare debate

That pretty well sums up my feelings about it.

 

[wkmac]

From the article:

The fact that we’re dealing in the U.S. with a choice between two or more alternative state-private mixes is one reason I haven’t gotten too worked up about the whole Obamacare debate

That pretty well sums up my feelings about it.

Agreed Jones. I also thought Kevin made many good points in his piece.

OT: On a different note, how much snow did ya get? We thankfully were just south of where it started and I'm glad.

Build a fire, put on some nice music and see how much couch time you can accumulate while enjoying the snow scene because you know what tomorrow will bring!



You and everyone up that way be extra careful tomorrow! I worked last night and was shocked at the amount of Super Saturday volume we got so we could be in for a surprise over the next couple of days in respect to volume if what I saw is a larger picture.

 

[tieguy]

I too am sorry to hear of your loss, but I think it could have happened here as well.

I find it hard to believe it could happen. They can do some blood work and immediately identify the signs of liver failure. Our health care system is expensive but overall its very good.

 

[Jones]

I find it hard to believe it could happen. They can do some blood work and immediately identify the signs of liver failure. Our health care system is expensive but overall its very good.

Thousands of Americans die every year because of misdiagnosis.

You're right about our health care system being expensive.

 

[klein]

I find it hard to believe it could happen. They can do some blood work and immediately identify the signs of liver failure. Our health care system is expensive but overall its very good.

Tieguy needs this explanation, and he might understand it :

UPS is on salary.
Some other couriers are paid by the piece.

A surgeon, or doc, paid by the piece will work as quick as possible (earns more money).
And will also give extra unnessecary procedures to even earn him more.

A doc paid by salary will work as ordered. By the book.
He won't fasttrack patients.
Nor do operations in record timing.

Maybe , now you understand ?

And keep in mind, Western Europeans and Canadians have a higher life expectency then the US Population !

 

[moreluck]

What is the big deal to get this pushed through by Christmas ??? I don't get it. There are going to be votes cast by people who won't even read what's in it. We elect these people. How can they possibly vote and not read the material????

Why can't they just take it home and read it all over the holidays and return fresh and ready in Jan.?????

 

[bbsam]

What is the big deal to get this pushed through by Christmas ??? I don't get it. There are going to be votes cast by people who won't even read what's in it. We elect these people. How can they possibly vote and not read the material????

Why can't they just take it home and read it all over the holidays and return fresh and ready in Jan.?????

What difference does it make? The 60 that will push it through already know there are things the loathe and hate to vote for but see it as the best bill they can get. As for the 40, well they weren't coming along anyway. All the "deal breakers" have been dealt with behind closed doors and the votes have been coaxed and bought. There's nothing left to read.

 

[tieguy]

Tieguy needs this explanation, and he might understand it :

UPS is on salary.
Some other couriers are paid by the piece.

A surgeon, or doc, paid by the piece will work as quick as possible (earns more money).
And will also give extra unnessecary procedures to even earn him more.

A doc paid by salary will work as ordered. By the book.
He won't fasttrack patients.
Nor do operations in record timing.

Maybe , now you understand ?

And keep in mind, Western Europeans and Canadians have a higher life expectency then the US Population !

When I need a propagandist to click his heels and sell me the socialist vision I'll be sure to ask you until then please show some sensitivity and shut the frick up.

My uncle was a good man who could not do enough for others and he deserved better then this government provided half ass care he recieved.
This is now the second relative in germany I've had my grandmother being the other who has died because there is a failure in the initial triage stage of diagnosis to quickly identify and treat the problem.

Life expectancy can be affected by other health factors and do not always directly reflect the health care system in place.

 

[klein]

When I need a propagandist to click his heels and sell me the socialist vision I'll be sure to ask you until then please show some sensitivity and shut the frick up.

My uncle was a good man who could not do enough for others and he deserved better then this government provided half ass care he recieved.
This is now the second relative in germany I've had my grandmother being the other who has died because there is a failure in the initial triage stage of diagnosis to quickly identify and treat the problem.

Life expectancy can be affected by other health factors and do not always directly reflect the health care system in place.

How can you turn down german healthcare, anyways ?
After age 35, everyone is entitled to a free 3 week spa treatment (without taking vacation). - Every 2 years !

I have been hospitailized there for stomache ulcer.
3 weeks in total. They made sure it was completly healed before I left!

Northamerican way : Precriptions and you are on your way !

No spas, no time off, NOTHING !
Live or die !

Ask those questions to your German relatives !!!!

I miss the generous System over there.

 

[av8torntn]

What is the big deal to get this pushed through by Christmas ???

I think the CBO comes out with the new debt numbers in March. This will likely be very bad. They still have to merge the House and Senate bills and with election season coming up they must finish this quickly and try to get this unpopular bill off the minds of the voters. You should now expect the White House to come to the House and tell them they need to give in to the Senate and get this bill passed. Otherwise they are facing huge losses in the House next year. And so it goes....

 

[moreluck]

I'm one voter that won't forget. I wont be distracted. Tunnel vision here!!!

 

[tieguy]

I have been hospitailized there for stomache ulcer.
3 weeks in total. They made sure it was completly healed before I left!

Of course three weeks of laying around for an ulcer is right up your worthless alley.
You're dang lucky you didn't die from the ulcer there. If they didn't hospitalize you for an ulcer then they might be able to afford more money on life threatening diagnosis.

I'm delivering reality here while you keep giving me BS. I'll encourage you to have sex with yourself.

 

[tieguy]

Bribes and payoffs to pass health care:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/12/21/price-right-payoffs-senators-typical-health-care/

 

[klein]

Of course three weeks of laying around for an ulcer is right up your worthless alley.
You're dang lucky you didn't die from the ulcer there. If they didn't hospitalize you for an ulcer then they might be able to afford more money on life threatening diagnosis.

I'm delivering reality here while you keep giving me BS. I'll encourage you to have sex with yourself.

I encourage you to ask your german relatives about the "Kur" (Spa) treatments they get every 2 years ! Without even the need to take vacation time !
You have no clue how great the german "krankenkasse" is !
I do, because I used it, and worked there !
I talk as an experienced worker in Germany !
And you as a US soldier child in Germany !
It's time for you to finally grow up Tie !

It's because people like you, that are ingnorant american, that they are hated worldwide !
They have no clue... but think they are superb !

You can call up all 7 aunts (born in and raised in Germany), I have in the US, from Arizona, to Calif, to FL and Wisconsin.... and you'll get the same answer : How great the german Healthcare is !
Even my mother, that is German and lives in Canada.

Screw you Tie, keep you mouth shut, if you never used the system !

Btw: next time your in the hospital, pay attention where most of the equipemnt is from (Siemens and Bayer).
Still proudly made in Germany, along with blood glucose meters, and blood pressure equiptment.

Like I said : YOU have no clue !

 

[Lue C Fur]

I miss the generous System over there.

Please go back there and zip your yapper!!!

 

[klein]

Please go back there and zip your yapper!!!

Don't need to.
Thats why wounded American soldiers are flown into Ramstein, Germany, from anywhere over the atlantic (Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan , Korea, Vietnam, etc), and yes, Canadians use it too, before flown back home.

Best Military hospital in the world.
Or just conicedience it's in Germany ?