I only see 1 problem..
They aren't milled.... so you can convert them to "full auto".
Total fail.
Condoning illegal acts? I think you should be reported and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Your tee shirt wont save you.
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Condoning illegal acts? I think you should be reported and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Your tee shirt wont save you.
soberups
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The .223 cartridge is not legal to hunt deer with in Oregon, as well as in many other states, due to the fact that it fails to meet the minimum standards for deer hunting in terms of power or ballistic energy. By definition, it is not a "high powered rifle." The people who simply want to "ban high powered rifles" as an emotional response to these tragedies would in fact be banning conventional, commonplace deer and elk hunting cartridges such as the 30/30 or 30-06 that have been around for over 100 years and are more powerful than the .223.
Whats going on here is really simple. People are (understandably) reacting to these tragedies with emotion. They want to do something. They want to ban something. So they latch on to inaccurate, misleading, media-generated buzzwords such as "high powered assault rifles" as a matter of convenience, and make simple-minded calls to "ban them" when in fact (A) they dont know anything about guns (B) they are not capable of making rational distinctions between different types of weapons, and (C) they cannot comprehend the fact that the type of weapon used in the massacres had no bearing on the outcome of the massacres. A conventional hunting rifle and a couple of revolvers in Adam Lanzas posession would have resulted in the same outcome against a school full of children and unarmed teachers.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
There is no law against condoning an illegal act.
To condone is to express a favorable opinion, nothing more.
Conspiracy, then. To conspire to commit an illegal act.
soberups's arguments on gun control:
cachsux
Wah
If you look both sides can use that. Enjoy.soberups's arguments on gun control:
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Which one of these is really the "high powered assault rifle"?
Both of them are semi-automatic, meaning they fire one round every time the trigger is pulled. Both of them have detachable magazines. Both of them fire a cartridge that was originally developed for military use. Both of them are capable of penetrating conventional level IIIA body armor. However...
Only one of them is powerful enough to hunt deer and elk with, the other is not. One of them has an effective range out to almost 1000 meters, the other does not. One of them generates over 3000 foot-pounds of ballistic energy at the muzzle, the other generates barely half of that amount.
Which one would you rather get shot with? Which one is truly the "high powered assault" rifle?
Both of them are semi-automatic, meaning they fire one round every time the trigger is pulled. Both of them have detachable magazines. Both of them fire a cartridge that was originally developed for military use. Both of them are capable of penetrating conventional level IIIA body armor. However...
Only one of them is powerful enough to hunt deer and elk with, the other is not. One of them has an effective range out to almost 1000 meters, the other does not. One of them generates over 3000 foot-pounds of ballistic energy at the muzzle, the other generates barely half of that amount.
Which one would you rather get shot with? Which one is truly the "high powered assault" rifle?
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soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
The gun on the left is a common hunting rifle, the semi-automatic magazine-fed Remington 742, chambered in the popular 30.06 cartridge that has been around since 1906 and is commonly used for deer and elk hunting. It is far more powerful and has far greater range and killing power than the gun on the right, which is a semi-automatic magazine-fed Bushmaster chambered in .223.
Why dont the gun banners get their panties in a knot over the gun on the left?
Why dont the gun banners get their panties in a knot over the gun on the left?
Canard
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
No.
It is favored for military use because the ammunition weighs less, and the cartridge itself has far less recoil which means it can be rapid-fired with greater accuracy.
Whether or not the bullet will travel thru the body or not is a function of bullet design, not caliber or velocity. A low-powered handgun cartidge such as the 9mm...which has approximately one tenth of the muzzle energy of a 30.06...can quite easily pass thru the human body if a full metal jacketed round is used.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
No...simple truth.
You people want to ban something. All I ask is that you come up with a consistent, rational, and reality-based reason for wanting to do so.
From what I can see...and from the arguments that are being presented...you want to ban an entire class of guns based upon (A) cosmetic features that you think look scary and (B) a factually incorrect "high powered" designation that would also include commonplace hunting cartridges that have been around for over 100 years.
The features you wish to ban (pistol grips, flash suppressors, 30 round detachable magazines, bayonet lugs etc) might look scary but the reality is that they contribute absolutely nothing towards the lethality of the rifle in a school massacre scenario.
When your victims are unarmed and have been conveniently herded into a "gun free zone"...it doesnt matter what kind of gun you have or how many bullets it holds.
Catatonic
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soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
To conspire is to plan, to take action, to be personally involved in an illegal act.
To condone is to simply have an opinion about whether that act should be legal or not.
Big difference.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
While you are at it, explain what a condom is.
For society's sake, I don't think he should pass his genes on.
cachsux
Wah
Talk about high capacity loads for weapons of mass dysfunction.
That's not exactly true. I don't know very much at all about guns or ammo, but I do know that the design of a hollow point bullet is so that upon impact it will flatten out and fragment within the target and not travel through the victim. However, even that is something I have heard about and would be willing to learn differently.
I expected better of you. In fact, I expected better of most people on this site. You've all devolved into the same old crappy discussion that goes nowhere and does nothing. Just people on both sides calling names and insulting others. Maybe when it's 200 5 year olds killed in a Fourth of July parade we can get serious. Probably not.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Only if it is banning floats after a float is hijacked by a madman who uses it to run over a marching band of 5 year old kids.
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