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[Jones]

At what point in the military were you told which orders you could obey or disobey? Those coming from a sergeant? Lieutenant? All the way up to colonel? One of my best friends is a colonel in the Marines. I've never gotten the sense from him that nuanced decision making was something that officers valued or even tolerated from their subordinates.

You only have to follow lawful orders, for instance you would disobey an order to shoot a prisoner or an unarmed civilian.

 

[728ups]

I was a soldier in the 80's. If our government ordered us to attack American's or take their weapons, they would face out right mutiny in the military.

No American soldier would attack American civilians unless there was a heck of a good reason.

Kent State,1970 Four Dead in Ohio

 

[728ups]

I was a soldier in the 80's. If our government ordered us to attack American's or take their weapons, they would face out right mutiny in the military.

No American soldier would attack American civilians unless there was a heck of a good reason.

The US army attacked WW1 veterans during teh great depression.The veterans had marched to DC,and set up "Hoovervilles" . The US Army attacked them,killed a 12 year old boy and burned teh shacks to the ground
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

 

[realbrown1]

Of course they would. We had a whole bloody war to prove it too.

Yeah, it would cause a CIVIL WAR, if troops were going to be used on civilians.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

 

[realbrown1]

Kent State,1970 Four Dead in Ohio

Those were national guard troops called out to quell a riot/protest by a governor. As allowed by law.

 

[bbsam]

You only have to follow lawful orders, for instance you would disobey an order to shoot a prisoner or an unarmed civilian.

would they refuse to fire on heavily armed Americans?

 

[bbsam]

Those were national guard troops called out to quell a riot/protest by a governor. As allowed by law.

The law allows for tyrannical governors?

 

[728ups]

Those were national guard troops called out to quell a riot/protest by a governor. As allowed by law.

so you support the US Army shooting Unarmed US Citizens?

 

[bbsam]

Yeah, it would cause a CIVIL WAR, if troops were going to be used on civilians.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

Yeah, it would cause a CIVIL WAR, if troops were going to be used on civilians.

Thank you for helping me make my point.

So if they are agents and not troops, there is no civil war? So all that has to happen is the president deputizes Marines as ATF agents and then the assault can begin without risking a civil war?

 

[bbsam]

isn't there something in a soldier's oath about defending the nation against all threats "foreign and domestic"?

 

[Jones]

would they refuse to fire on heavily armed Americans?

No idea, I was just pointing out that service members are not expected/required to blindly follow whatever orders they are given.

 

[bbsam]

Fair enough.

 

[realbrown1]

The US army attacked WW1 veterans during teh great depression.The veterans had marched to DC,and set up "Hoovervilles" . The US Army attacked them,killed a 12 year old boy and burned teh shacks to the ground
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Washington called out troops to defend itself from possible insurrection. A reasonable use of troops IMHO.

 

[realbrown1]

At what point in the military were you told which orders you could obey or disobey? Those coming from a sergeant? Lieutenant? All the way up to colonel? One of my best friends is a colonel in the Marines. I've never gotten the sense from him that nuanced decision making was something that officers valued or even tolerated from their subordinates.

The first week of basic training.

Weren't you taught that?

Did you even serve?

 

[realbrown1]

The law allows for tyrannical governors?

Now you are just being dumb.

 

[moreluck]

Kent State,1970 Four Dead in Ohio

And what part of Ohio did you live in then ???

 

[realbrown1]

so you support the US Army shooting Unarmed US Citizens?

Where did I say that? You ask very stupid questions.

 

[realbrown1]

So if they are agents and not troops, there is no civil war? So all that has to happen is the president deputizes Marines as ATF agents and then the assault can begin without risking a civil war?

Wow! You think this up all by yourself?

 

[soberups]

So if they are agents and not troops, there is no civil war? So all that has to happen is the president deputizes Marines as ATF agents and then the assault can begin without risking a civil war?

Posse Comitatus Act. US troops are expressly prohibited by law from participating in domestic law enforcement.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Posse Comitatus Act. US troops are expressly prohibited by law from participating in domestic law enforcement.

...unless called upon to assist in a local or national emergency...


Resident know-it-all.