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As for moving things to syria... this was the best david kay could offer as an explanation..

"There is ample evidence of movement to Syria before the war -- satellite photographs, reports on the ground of a constant stream of trucks, cars, rail traffic across the border. We simply don't know what was moved," ~ David Kay said.

they saw cars and trucks and rail traffic, but had no conclusive evidence that ANY weapons of mass destruction was moved. It was just another one of the bush administrations LIES, using "traffic" as some kind of proof that weapons were being moved.

TOS.
So i made a mistake...where do you think all the wmd were manufactured and hidden before moved to syria?


Remember something really important about Iraq and Syria.

In order for Saddam Hussein to move ANYTHING into Syria, he would have had to have cleared it with President Asaad of Syria first. Unfortunately, Syria and Iraq are NOT friends, and both regimes HATE each other, as Saddam was a bathist Sunni and Asaad is Shia.

For the record:


Ba'athist Iraq and Syria[edit]
Main articles: Ba'ath Party (Iraqi-dominated faction) and Ba'ath Party (Syrian-dominated faction)
Efforts by Syrians and Iraqis to unite Iraq and Syria into one country have existed since the creation of the modern states. Such unification efforts were to continue under the Ba'ath Party. Ironically enough, hostility between Syria and Iraq started in the 1966 when both were under Ba'athist rule. Relations improved in the early 1970s during the Yom Kippur War, but deteroriated again following Syria's acceptance of the UN sponsored ceasefire.

After the 1973 War, Syrian President Hafez al-Assad made several attempts in 1974 and 1975 to settle his differences with Iraq (arising from Syria's acceptance of UN Resolution 338 which lead to the ceasefire in the 1973 War; Iraq withdrew the expeditionary force it had sent to help Syria as a result of Syria's acceptance of the ceasefire) and establish a union between the two countries. Iraq however rejected Assad's offers and denounced him for his "readiness to make peace" with Israel. Strained relations between Iraq and Syria would continue up until 1978.[3]

By October 1978, Iraq President, Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr began working closely with Assad to foil the Camp David Accords; signing in Baghdad a charter for Joint National Action which provided for the "closest form of unity ties" including "complete military unity" as well as "economic, political and cultural unification".[3]

In 1978 Iraqi President Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr and Hafez al-Assad, had agreed to a plan and started to make treaties that would lead to the unification of Iraq and Syria. This plan was to come into effect in July 1979, however Saddam Hussein, the Deputy Secretary of the Iraqi Ba'ath Party, fearful of losing his power to Assad (who was supposed to become the deputy leader in the new union), forced al-Bakr into retirement under threat of violence.[4][5]

Unity talks did continue between Assad and Hussein after July 1979, but Assad rejected Iraqi demands for a full merger between the two states and for the immediate deployment of Iraq troops into Syria. Instead Assad, perhaps fearful of Iraqi domination and a new war with Israel, advocated a step-by-step approach. The unity talks were eventually suspended indefinitely after an alleged discovery of a Syrian plot to overthrow Saddam Hussein in November 1979.[3]

Shortly after coming to power Hussein claimed to have been informed of a plot against him, supported by the Syrians, and suspended, then later abandoned the plan for unification. In November 1979 both countries officially suspended relations with one another and withdrew their diplomatic missions. Prior to his forced retirement Bakr had expressed to Assad a desire to speed up the process of union, as he feared elements within the Iraqi Ba'ath Party were trying to kill the union plan. However the Iran-Iraq War and Assad's growing closeness with Iran effectively ended any hopes of rapprochement, and in January 1982 the borders between th two countries were closed and sealed and all trade and movement of citizens was stopped[4] [3]

Later, Syria joined the coalition that liberated Kuwait from Iraqi occupation in the 1991 Gulf War. Up until the renewal of diplomatic ties in 2006, Iraqi leaders often accused Syria of trying to destabilize their country by allowing Sunni Arab foreign fighters to cross the border Iraq shares with Syria.

Relations with Syria have been marred by traditional rivalry for pre-eminence in Arab affairs, allegations of involvement in each other’s internal politics, and disputes over the waters of Euphrates River, oil transit fees, and stances toward Israel. Syria broke relations after Iraq invaded Kuwait in 1990 and joined other Arab states in sending military forces to the coalition that forced Iraq out of Kuwait. Relations remained cool until Bashar al-Assad became President of Syria in 2000.
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Given this state of discourse, it would have been IMPOSSIBLE for Saddam Hussein to contract with the Syrian government to take in weapons of mass destruction. Only the foolish would believe otherwise upon suggestion by the BUSH administration.

It was an easy excuse for the BUSH supporters to claim that weapons were sent into Syria when they havent the first CLUE about Iraq/Syria relations at the time.

Sorry NEWFIE, you have the Iraq war all wrong.

TOS.
 

Anthonysg0113

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As for moving things to syria... this was the best david kay could offer as an explanation..

"There is ample evidence of movement to Syria before the war -- satellite photographs, reports on the ground of a constant stream of trucks, cars, rail traffic across the border. We simply don't know what was moved," ~ David Kay said.

they saw cars and trucks and rail traffic, but had no conclusive evidence that ANY weapons of mass destruction was moved. It was just another one of the bush administrations LIES, using "traffic" as some kind of proof that weapons were being moved.

TOS.
Do you spew all this knowledge to your customers when you deliver to them?
 

newfie

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I realize you live in oblivion when it comes to the Iraq war, but let me help you out...

read this paragraph directed quoted from GW BUSH's own weapons inspector....

"When chief weapons inspector David Kay bluntly told the senate there were, in fact, no WMDs, he forced a humiliating U-turn in Washington and London. Now, in his first newspaper interview, he tells Julian Borger that the president must admit he got it wrong"

OOOPS... looks like you got it wrong, again.

Maybe you and that other goof can stop repeating that the USA found "weapons of mass destruction in iraq"...

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/03/usa.iraq

TOS.

excellent now I know what country hating news source you subscribe to when you are in your little bunker.
 

newfie

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The whole country believed the LIES the BUSH administration told to the country.

The people believed the FAKE intelligence, and the congress and senate believed it as well.

That doesnt make it right, it only goes to demonstrate the power of bullcrap.

When the MI6 agent committed suicide when he was about to be exposed for colaborating with the BUSH administration in FAKING yellow cake intelligence, that is when the cat was let out of the bag.

Just because hillary and kerry voted for military action, that doesnt justify the phoney intelligence, just as you repeating it doesnt suffice as intelligence either.

TOS.

you keep spinning this fairy tale. you need to educate yourself a lot more on the process. members of congress which included Hillary at the time had their own unfettered/ unfiltered access to the intelligence and came to the same conclusion as the bush administration. put down your democratic talking points and educate yourself.
 

The Other Side

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you keep spinning this fairy tale. you need to educate yourself a lot more on the process. members of congress which included Hillary at the time had their own unfettered/ unfiltered access to the intelligence and came to the same conclusion as the bush administration. put down your democratic talking points and educate yourself.


What will it take for you to believe the "intelligence" was faked?

What will it take for you to understand the region (the middle east) and the religious differences and boundaries of each and how they play with one another?

What will it take for you to accept that both wars were unneccessary and thousands of americans were killed for nothing?

We both could view the "unfiltered" bullcrap the BUSH administration was selling, and we would come to the same conclusion at the time.

The only "fairytale" here, is YOURS, to believe there was some legitimacy for the iraq war. Had we left Saddam Hussein alone, and just applied stronger sanctions against his country, we could have kept the region in check.

But, back in 1997, the PROJECT FOR THE NEW AMERICAN CENTURY had a different idea.

Nation Building in the middle east was the goal, and they were going to attack Iraq no matter what. The only problem as PNAC saw, was convincing americans to support such a war.

What better way to do that, than to convince the public that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction and he intended on using them? Bush told us that he was recieiving YELLOW CAKE to fuel weapons and that he was going to be able to launch weapons of mass destruction, but it was then discovered that the intelligence on yellow cake was FAKED, and the Mi6 agent involved killed himself over it before he was to testify before the house of commons in England.

The UK discovered that this information was FAKED and the Mi6 agent was working with the USA on promoting this falsehood.

But YOU, want to discount it, because it doesnt fit the narrative you have been believing for over 12 years.

I get it, its easier to be a sheep than a wolf. It fits you.

TOS.
 

Babagounj

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boston.com is really The Boston Globe .
The most liberal newspaper in the region .

When the story broke about obama's illegal aunt living in Boston , they were shocked when it was revealed that she was less than a mile from their offices .
They have had writers who reported ground breaking stories , which later on were determined to totally made up .
 

The Other Side

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How about this wonderful "Vetted" intelligence from the bush administration??

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Too bad it was FAKE, like everything else about the afghanistan war.

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newfie

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What will it take for you to believe the "intelligence" was faked?



TOS.

If it was faked then Hillary and the democratic leadership had a hand in the subterfuge. educate yourself on the process. The bush administration does not provide congress with the intelligence . Congress has its own sources.
 

The Other Side

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If it was faked then Hillary and the democratic leadership had a hand in the subterfuge. educate yourself on the process. The bush administration does not provide congress with the intelligence . Congress has its own sources.

Nice attempt at wiggling out. You my friend are dense.

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The Other Side

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WOW, what a shock, in 1997, the project for the new american century planned out the invasion of Iraq and the middle east in order to start the nation building process by growing the size of our military.

Hmmm.... in 1997, growing the military so the world could see our strength and make us the strongest country on earth....

Hmmm... in 2016, Marco Rubio is saying the same thing, grow the military, show military power in the middle east, put our military on the ground on the middle east to form governments friendly to the USA.. ( aka nation building)

And surprise surprise...

Those same people involved in the project for the new american century are backing Rubio and they even have the balls to put their name on his platform...

See if you can spot it..>

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YeaH, he cares about you people.

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