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Babagounj

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What Is an 'Assault Weapon?' - Breitbart

With incessant calls to ban “assault weapons” arising from the Democrat Party — calls that sometimes hit a fever pitch when you add in the voices of Democratic surrogates in the media and gun control groups — it seems to be a good time to ask a key question: What is an “assault weapon?”

Does the term “assault weapon” only apply to black guns? Or can an “assault weapon” be white or green or red or brown or camouflage? Can it be pink?

Here’s the point: “assault weapons” is a made up term that applies to whatever best serves Democrats who are pushing gun control at any given time. After all, the New York Times reports that the term “assault weapons” is a “myth” Democrats created in the 1990s.

And according to the NYT, the “myth” came into play when the Democrats — who were eager to find a scapegoat for escalating crime in the early 1990s — created a “politically defined category of guns” they could then demonize and ban. They subsequently achieved an “assault weapons” ban in 1994, and it lasted until 2004. And when today’s Democrats appeal to that ban as one that should be re-instituted, they prove they understand little about it.

For starters, the 1994 did not ban “assault weapons.” Rather, it banned cosmetic features that Democrats consider part and parcel to “assault weapons.”

To put it another way, the 1994 ban did not ban AR-15s in general. Rather, it banned flash hiders, certain fore stocks and grips, collapsible and folding rear stocks, “high capacity” magazines, etc. It banned things that made the gun look like the scary guns Democrats think about when they think about an “assault weapon.” But it did nothing to change or ban the actual gun.

Were certain guns explicitly banned? Yes. But the larger scope of the ban was so cosmetically based that manufacturers could simply remove certain features, lengthen the barrel slightly, label the gun a “target rifle,” and continue selling them. For example, according to the Washington Post, while the Colt AR-15 James Holmes used in his attack on the Aurora movie theater would have been banned, a “Colt Match Target rifle” would not. The difference between the AR-15 and the target rifle is largely cosmetic.

Note: None of the differences in the two guns impacts basic operation, just as the presence or absence of a collapsible stock has no effect on bullet velocity.
 

The Other Side

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How do you prove the George Washington never said something.

You can ask my family on whether I said something, some will say yes, others might say no.

So how was it proven false?

Geez, are you really this silly??

Do you not now how to verify something? I guess its my job to help you out at every turn.

Ok, this is the actual TEXT from what george washington actually said:

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."

Now compare that to whats on this statue..
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The right wing operatives continue to put words into the mouths of all the founders and this statue is a classic example of changing what a founder once said.

from snopes on this same photo..

FALSE: George Washington Wanted Citizens Armed Against the Government

But someone like you is easily manipulated by photos like this one. You dont have the intelligence to verify anything. You photo says this:

"A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."

This quote is partially accurate as the beginning section is taken from Washington's First Annual Message to Congress on the State of the Union. However, the quote is then manipulated into a differing context and the remaining text is inaccurate. Here is the actual text from Washington's speech:

"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined; to which end a uniform and well-digested plan is requisite; and their safety and interest require that they should promote such manufactories as tend to render them independent of others for essential, particularly military, supplies."

Its clear what washington said has been changed to satisfy people like you.

It doesnt say what you , or imply what you need to maintain your gun arguments.

A WELL REGULATED MILITIA. A military phrasing, like the entire second amendment.

This quote was from George Washingtons annual message to congress.

Hope this helps you out, but I know you will reject it, because its the truth and you cant handle that.

TOS.
 

The Other Side

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Speaking of guns....

Today , the SCOTUS just handed the NRA a major blow by endorsing weapons bans for domestic abusers. This ruling will ultimately save lives from the gun nuts who kill their wives, children, neighbors, coworkers.

By simply complaining about someone with guns, for having some problem with domestic abuse, all guns will be removed and the owner placed on a gun restriction list.

Look for more states to implement this law.

Some advice, if you gun freaks on this board have a habit of beating your wife or girlfriend, watch out, you could be next, and your tools of courage taken from you.

BREAKING: Supreme Court Just Ruled that Domestic Abusers Can't Have Guns

This is the second blow to the NRA in as many weeks. More to follow.

TOS.
 

Babagounj

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Speaking of guns....

Today , the SCOTUS just handed the NRA a major blow by endorsing weapons bans for domestic abusers. This ruling will ultimately save lives from the gun nuts who kill their wives, children, neighbors, coworkers.

By simply complaining about someone with guns, for having some problem with domestic abuse, all guns will be removed and the owner placed on a gun restriction list.
TOS.

The flaw in your logic here is that you consider only men to be abusers and gun nuts too.
A little bit of history for you; in Massachusetts the first issued ( we call them 209A's ) was for a woman to stop harassing a former boy friend .
 

Babagounj

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What are you concerned about?
Public safety .
If an officer is deemed an abuser and have their weapons removed from them , that means there is one less officer out there protecting the public .
Any officer could be found in this situation if some one they are in a relationship or some one who has a beef with them with " claims " that they were abused .
Especially during divorce proceeding alleged crimes are almost always claimed .
 

DriveInDriveOut

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Public safety .
If an officer is deemed an abuser and have their weapons removed from them , that means there is one less officer out there protecting the public .
Any officer could be found in this situation if some one they are in a relationship or some one who has a beef with them with " claims " that they were abused .
Especially during divorce proceeding alleged crimes are almost always claimed .
The ruling was about people convicted of domestic violence.
TTKU.
 

brett636

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This is why I refer to any gun control advocate as an anti-gunner. I don't really believe anyone who says "I am all about the 2nd amendment, but I support common sense regulation." as we all know the truth and that is they would support an all out ban if it were to come across the table that actually had a chance at passing. Well here is the devastating new argument against gun control. Its simple and to the point which I am all about.

Gun Rights Advocates Have A Devastating New Argument Against Gun Control. Here It Is.
 

Babagounj

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Law Enforcement Sources: Gun Used in Paris Terrorist Attacks Came from Phoenix - Judicial Watch

One of the guns used in the November 13, 2015 Paris terrorist attacks came from Phoenix, Arizona where the Obama administration allowed criminals to buy thousands of weapons illegally in a deadly and futile “gun-walking” operation known as “Fast and Furious.”

A Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

The investigative follow up of the Paris weapon consisted of tracking a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a gun’s ownership history by, among other things, using serial numbers. The Phoenix gun owner that the weapon was traced back to was found to have at least two federal firearms violations—for selling one weapon illegally and possessing an unregistered automatic—but no enforcement or prosecutorial action was taken against the individual. Instead, ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner’s identity was “kept quiet,” according to law enforcement sources involved with the case. “Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public,” a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Law Enforcement Sources: Gun Used in Paris Terrorist Attacks Came from Phoenix - Judicial Watch

One of the guns used in the November 13, 2015 Paris terrorist attacks came from Phoenix, Arizona where the Obama administration allowed criminals to buy thousands of weapons illegally in a deadly and futile “gun-walking” operation known as “Fast and Furious.”

A Report of Investigation (ROI) filed by a case agent in the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives (ATF) tracked the gun used in the Paris attacks to a Phoenix gun owner who sold it illegally, “off book,” Judicial Watch’s law enforcement sources confirm. Federal agents tracing the firearm also found the Phoenix gun owner to be in possession of an unregistered fully automatic weapon, according to law enforcement officials with firsthand knowledge of the investigation.

The investigative follow up of the Paris weapon consisted of tracking a paper trail using a 4473 form, which documents a gun’s ownership history by, among other things, using serial numbers. The Phoenix gun owner that the weapon was traced back to was found to have at least two federal firearms violations—for selling one weapon illegally and possessing an unregistered automatic—but no enforcement or prosecutorial action was taken against the individual. Instead, ATF leaders went out of their way to keep the information under the radar and ensure that the gun owner’s identity was “kept quiet,” according to law enforcement sources involved with the case. “Agents were told, in the process of taking the fully auto, not to anger the seller to prevent him from going public,” a veteran law enforcement official told Judicial Watch
So, President Obama supplied the guns used in the Paris terrorist attack?????

What a buffoon.
 
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