President Obama!

[bbsam]

I know you keep saying it but still not true. Some of the proposals have included allowing opting out of SSI(which would be more than a large cut)(Pres. Bush), to elimination of foreign aid (Sen. Paul), closing foreign military bases(Con Paul), complete elimination of entire federal departments(energy and education)(many over the year), and elimination of the rural electrification act(multiple), or even federal funding for planned parenthood and the national endowment for the arts(many). Just today they forced a vote to repeal the federal health care act and that alone could have cut trillions of dollars of spending over our lifetimes(all).
Also many republicans want to slash not freeze as Obama wants domestic spending.

LOL. This should all make for wonderful 2012 campaigning. Opting out of SSI? You mean a more drastic "privitization"? Eliminate departements of energy and education? Because government is the problem to why Exxon has to keep making record profits and why Johnny is 13 and still can't read? Be honest though. Boehner and McConnell aren't going the push this agenda going into a presidential election. They didn't push it from 2000 to 2008 either. And if they win in 2012, they will not push it come 1/20/13.

 

[johnoutdoors]

we pay more taxes then the US, we pay more for our gasoline and oil, that we ship to the US (as the largest oil supplier).
We pay more taxes on "Sinn items" like chocolate, chips, cigs, alcohol - do you wanna pay over $50 for a 24 pack of beer - then come here ! - half of that probably goes towards healthcare.

Are you ready for a Vat tax. DS pays something like 15% on everything he buys.... From clothing, to a stay at a hotel. Or a fishing rod.

Do you want to keep a balanced budget and not let your kids and grandkids pay for your current "luxery" ? - Then pay as you go, and stop borrowing and asking for tax cuts !

We don't go for that - we pay the bills !
No matter how it may hit our pocket books !

You missed the main thrust of my arguement or intentionally avoided it. Why on Earth would any American want to use a system like that? Why not reign in the excessive spending, decrease the size of the gov't, keep more of our own money in our pockets, and provide for ourselves without relying on big brother to bail us out from our personal failings? Why would I want to pay the gov't, who will in turn pay an agency, who will in turn pay a provider to give me a service for "free" when I can just as easily pay a provider myself and cut out untold layers of middle men thereby saving proportionally to the number of layers cut? Why would anyone vote for a used car salesman of a politicain who would tell me that they know better how to spend my money than I do? Unfortunately, there are enough people here that don't take the time to understand who and what they are voting for. They make decisions based on emotion not reason. Can you, using logic and reason, tell me why I would want to jump on the bandwagon of people who want the gov't to do for them what they could do for themselves?

 

[Babagounj]

oh klein, here's a story just how wonderful Canada really is................

(Toronto Star)- A Mississauga businesswoman whose home was ordered seized to pay an Ontario Human Rights Tribunal award to a former employee can keep her house — for now.
The Superior Court struck down the “fatally flawed” decision as so unfair to defendant Maxcine Telfer — who represented herself in the hearing — that it was “simply not possible to logically follow the pathway taken by the adjudicator.”
That October 2009 decision ordered Telfer to pay $36,000 to a woman who had been her employee for six weeks. Lawyers wanted the sheriff to seize and sell Telfer’s home to collect the money.
The woman who lodged the complaint, Seema Saadi, told the tribunal she felt pressured to wear skirts and heels instead of her hijab. Saadi also said Telfer complained about the smell of food that she warmed in the microwave.
The three-judge Superior Court panel ordered the tribunal to hold a new hearing before a different adjudicator, expected to be held in the next six months.
​

 

[wkmac]

Re: Obamanomics

A favorite sport of many conservatives is calling President Obama a socialist because of his anti-market rhetoric and the significant increase in government involvement in the economy. In an earlier column I weighed in on this issue, suggesting that Obama is more of a corporatist than a socialist. Whatever term one thinks best describes Obama’s politics, ironies abound in the conservative charge of “socialism.” In general, conservatives have been quite willing to accept, if not encourage, government intervention in markets.
The most obvious example is the conservative unwillingness to tolerate free markets in prostitution, pornography, and especially certain drugs. Of course, those markets raise other issues that matter to conservatives, which would distract us from the more fundamental point about socialism. So instead, we can turn to the recent endorsement of ethanol subsidies by Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum.
Ethanol, a fuel made from corn, has been widely criticized for a variety of reasons. Most common is that it converts corn — which could be used for food — into fuel, and very inefficiently at that. This raises food prices in the United States and around the world. By providing subsidies for ethanol, the government steals food from the world’s poor to enrich large fuel producers and agribusiness.
Basic economics points out that if government has to provide a subsidy to make production of something profitable, then the resources devoted to that product are misallocated.

Cornfield Socalism

Dr. Horwitz makes an excellent point that especially the so-called Free Market conservatives IMO completely miss when they argue for gov't privilege to corporations. I'll quote Dr. Horwitz again:

Basic economics points out that if government has to provide a subsidy to make production of something profitable, then the resources devoted to that product are misallocated.

If there is a misallocation of resources in society, would that not cause some segments of society to suffer in economic shortages that effect jobs, food, housing and other basis for average life. When gov't reallocates resources, in order to qwell potential societal problems and a larger population revolt as a result of it's actions, does it not reply with programs and ideas designed to correct the consequences from it's actions? From where does it derive it's funding resources to do this? If one political side wants to stop mindless gov't programs and the other political side wants to end the rightly seem suffering thinking it justify the programs in their minds, seems both sides have a vested interest together and in fact a common enemy!


The very entity that causes the problems and suffering to begin with is the entity that everyone runs to for solutions. Does this in truth sound like nothing more than a crime lord?

 

[av8torntn]

LOL. This should all make for wonderful 2012 campaigning. Opting out of SSI? You mean a more drastic "privitization"? Eliminate departements of energy and education? Because government is the problem to why Exxon has to keep making record profits and why Johnny is 13 and still can't read? Be honest though. Boehner and McConnell aren't going the push this agenda going into a presidential election. They didn't push it from 2000 to 2008 either. And if they win in 2012, they will not push it come 1/20/13.

At first you claimed there have not been any specific cuts proposed and now you claim they are drastic?

Care to show a link between national educational standards and better education results ? Actually giving kids individualized attention has been shown to be much more effective than national standards.

Be honest Boehner and McConnell cannot push any agenda with the President we have.


The freedom to opt out of the social security system was pushed before 2008 but was blocked by all dimocrats and some republicans.

As a side note we already had a president elected and elected by a large margin that wanted to eliminate the departments of education and energy.

 

[av8torntn]

Why do we need 500,000 (I think that's the #) troops in Germany? .

I agree with your point but your number is way high. More like 50,000. That extra zero makes a big difference. Think about it we have 1.4 million (about) on active duty.

 

[klein]

You missed the main thrust of my arguement or intentionally avoided it. Why on Earth would any American want to use a system like that? Why not reign in the excessive spending, decrease the size of the gov't, keep more of our own money in our pockets, and provide for ourselves without relying on big brother to bail us out from our personal failings? Why would I want to pay the gov't, who will in turn pay an agency, who will in turn pay a provider to give me a service for "free" when I can just as easily pay a provider myself and cut out untold layers of middle men thereby saving proportionally to the number of layers cut? Why would anyone vote for a used car salesman of a politicain who would tell me that they know better how to spend my money than I do? Unfortunately, there are enough people here that don't take the time to understand who and what they are voting for. They make decisions based on emotion not reason. Can you, using logic and reason, tell me why I would want to jump on the bandwagon of people who want the gov't to do for them what they could do for themselves?

You should start getting a provider by yourself then ! No tax deduction, and no free healthcare from the employer.
Wouldn't that make US companies more competitive, and keep jobs in the US, so every American can benefit with lower unemployment ?

You talk about middle man - we don't have a middle man !
Government takes taxes, gives to Healthcare provider. Simple as that.

US : Government gives you a tax free deduction on your paycheck for healthcare bennies your employer pays - then that goes to MIDDLEMAN Insurance company.,
(which takes a profit) - and they pay healthcare providers.

Government , even provides EMS services, hospital bulidings, the non insured, and medicare, medicaid (which all of you pay for).
While Insurance companies and big pharma are profiting.
(almost forgot - you have 2 middle men - forgot pharma)...

Pharma gets very little here - they aren't even allowed to advertise on TV at all. (to keep costs down).
They also must negotiate prices with the government , so they don't overcharge.
(hence, why we get perscriptions drugs for half the price then Americans do).

Hospital Staff here are on salary (it doesn't go by how many surgerys a physician does)
Just like you don't get paid by how many packages per day you pick up or deliver... or how heavy and awkward they were.
Or if you had bad road conditions, you would get paid more...

A regular Dr's office visit, is set at $35 or $40 somewhere around that sum. (gov picks up that tab).

If you think you have the right system in place, and the US citizens are getting their monies worth, paying twice as much then any other country, then good for you.

 

[klein]

oh klein, here's a story just how wonderful Canada really is................

(Toronto Star)- A Mississauga businesswoman whose home was ordered seized to pay an Ontario Human Rights Tribunal award to a former employee can keep her house — for now.
The Superior Court struck down the “fatally flawed” decision as so unfair to defendant Maxcine Telfer — who represented herself in the hearing — that it was “simply not possible to logically follow the pathway taken by the adjudicator.”
That October 2009 decision ordered Telfer to pay $36,000 to a woman who had been her employee for six weeks. Lawyers wanted the sheriff to seize and sell Telfer’s home to collect the money.
The woman who lodged the complaint, Seema Saadi, told the tribunal she felt pressured to wear skirts and heels instead of her hijab. Saadi also said Telfer complained about the smell of food that she warmed in the microwave.
The three-judge Superior Court panel ordered the tribunal to hold a new hearing before a different adjudicator, expected to be held in the next six months.
​

That's common these days.... heard those stories often.
Those Islams or Muslims, go to an interview all nice dressed up, no turban or head gear, then get hired, stay "modernized" until probation is over.... then they transform suddenly....
There has been more of these cases !

Anyways, they can't seizure a house. That's impossible here (unless the house is rental property or 2nd home) , same as if you declare bk. They can't take a house, or a car that is worth under $5000. (if the vehicle is more worth then $5000, then it could be sold, but up to $5000 is yours to keep for a replacement) !

 

[johnoutdoors]

Klein, yet agian I ask, why would I want to live in a country that has a system where the gov't claims to know how to spend my money better than me? How is it better to have a large gov't and high taxes than smaller gov't, lower taxes and more personal responsibilty? Your replies, while filled with facts, are not answering the questions I have asked. I am willing to hear any points about why Canada's system is better, but you have only given unrelated facts that at best are generalizations of the US system.

 

[klein]

Maybe, beause a lot of people don't think ahead to the future ?

How many elderly would be rock-bottom broke, if it wasn't for SS and medicare in the US ?

Besides, ever think of self-employment ? The US politicians always seem to talk about small businesses making a difference.
Well, you tell me how you want to get started on that.
Before you even are open for business, or a family business, you better have enough to pay apprx $1500/mth for healthcare.
Or you can risk not being insured for the time being. But if you lose that gamble - you'll lose house, home and business.

Face it, that's why a lot of UPSer's even part-timers are stuck with UPS. They don't want to lose bennies.

 

[Babagounj]

Canada Adds 69,200 Jobs, Four Times More Than Forecast

yet klein still doesn't have one.
Now why is that ?
Welcome to the new world order......government slavery ; they will provide for your every need, so you will never have to worry about silly things like self respect.

 

[johnoutdoors]

Maybe, beause a lot of people don't think ahead to the future ?

How many elderly would be rock-bottom broke, if it wasn't for SS and medicare in the US ?

Besides, ever think of self-employment ? The US politicians always seem to talk about small businesses making a difference.
Well, you tell me how you want to get started on that.
Before you even are open for business, or a family business, you better have enough to pay apprx $1500/mth for healthcare.
Or you can risk not being insured for the time being. But if you lose that gamble - you'll lose house, home and business.

Face it, that's why a lot of UPSer's even part-timers are stuck with UPS. They don't want to lose bennies.

Thank you for finally replying to the questions. So how is it my responsibility to pay for people who you agree have failed to adequately prepare themselves for their futures? I will gladly help those in my family. If my parents, siblings, even my in laws need help, I will give all that I can and more. Why should I pay higher taxes to support someone on the other side of the country that I have never and will never meet. Is that not the job of the individual, and failing that the individual's family and friends?

I understand the thought of poor old Mrs. Smith who is all on her own and has nothing. Really I do. But that is an emotional arguement. Lady justice (the statue in courtrooms) is blind, she cannot see age, race, wealth, anything but our presence. Our laws are supposed to be based on reason and logic, not emotion. Why does Mrs. Smith get the reaction that she does? Because we are inclined to imagine her as our own grandmother, thereby introducing emotion. Federally mandated healthcare, SS, medicaid/medicare, etc are all offshoots of emotionally based laws.

I argue that it is not the gov't's job to care for these people. That is why DS has that VAT. The gov't couldn't tell the people how high they were going to have to set income, sales, and property taxes, so they introduced a new category of tax with a name that sounds so nice, why wouldn't we want to pay for something that is "value added?" Its all so they gov't can get more money to fritter away in a manner of their choosing. Me personally, I would like to keep my money so I can help my family.

 

[klein]

I really don't care.
I kinda wished that in the US, everyone that worked made atleast $30 an hr and got healthcare bennies thru their employer.

The rest can live in ghettos !
Just , only maybe, you might end up with more Indians then Cowboys ?
What good does it do UPS, if only 10 % of the population can order online (nevermind has internet access) !

What good would it do you, if only 10% of workers got heathcare bennies ... the other 90% get it free at the ER for quartruple the price ) - that you'll end up paying for it, anyways ?

Unless, ofcourse, you just want to pick up decaying bodies on the street, because they didn't have insurance and weren't picked up by EMS.
I'm in FL now,,,, was just sitting at a bar, with young people in their twenties - guess what - none of them has health insurance !
But, that's ok - the other Americans will pay for it !

Do you really win ?
Now, if those young people had to pay 5% on taxes (vat), plus extra on sinn taxes (cigs, booze).... then maybe the goverment and the other Americans wouldn't need to pay for them ?

I know you rather let them die, but as a western rich country - that's kind of hard to do... and would put America to more shame.

 

[moreluck]

Find the fraud, recover the $$$$


I think I approve of this one...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/02/05/government-launches-health-care-fraud-wanted-list/

 

[Babagounj]

Find the fraud, recover the $$$$

oh, are you talking about klein ?

 

[moreluck]

Re: Obamanation here today

(just the messenger)







A Black man's point of view.

A BLACK MAN, THE PROGRESSIVE'S PERFECT TROJAN HORSE

By Lloyd Marcus
March 27, 2010



As millions of my fellow Americans, I am outraged, devastated and extremely angry by the democrat's unbelievable arrogance and disdain for We The People. Despite our screaming "no" from the rooftops, they forced Obamacare down our throats. Please forgive me for using the following crude saying, but it is very appropriate to describe what has happened. "Don't urinate on me and tell me it's raining." Democrats say their mission is to give all Americans health care. The democrats are lying. Signing Obamacare into law against our will and the Constitution is tyranny and step one of their hideous goal of having as many Americans as possible dependent on government, thus controlling our lives and fulfilling Obama's promise to fundamentally transform America .

I keep asking myself. How did our government move so far from the normal procedures of getting things done? Could a white president have so successfully pulled off shredding the Constitution to further his agenda? I think not.

Ironically, proving America is completely the opposite of the evil racist country they relentlessly accuse her of being, progressives used America 's goodness, guilt and sense of fair play against her.. In their quest to destroy America as we know it, progressives borrowed a brilliant scheme from Greek mythology. They offered America a modern day Trojan Horse, a beautifully crafted golden shiny new black man as a presidential candidate. Democrat Joe Biden lauded Obama as the first clean and articulate African American candidate. Democrat Harry Reid said Obama only uses a black dialect when he wants.

White America relished the opportunity to vote for a black man naively believing they would never suffer the pain of being called racist again. Black Americans viewed casting their vote for Obama as the ultimate Affirmative Action for America 's sins of the past.

Then there were the entitlement loser voters who said, "I'm votin' for the black dude who promises to take from those rich SOBs and give to me."

Just as the deceived Trojans dragged the beautifully crafted Trojan Horse into Troy as a symbol of their victory, deceived Americans embraced the progressive's young, handsome, articulate and so called moderate black presidential candidate as a symbol of their liberation from accusation of being a racist nation. Also like the Trojan Horse, Obama was filled with the enemy hiding inside.

Sunday, March 21, 2010, a secret door opened in Obama, the shiny golden black man. A raging army of democrats charged out. Without mercy, they began their vicious bloody slaughter of every value, freedom and institution we Americans hold dear; launching the end of America as we know it.

Wielding swords of votes reeking with the putrid odor of back door deals, the democrats landed a severe death blow to America and individual rights by passing Obamacare.

The mainstream liberal media has been relentlessly badgering the Tea Party movement with accusations of racism. Because I am a black tea party patriot, I am bombarded with interviewers asking me the same veiled question. "Why are you siding with these white racists against America 's first African American president?" I defend my fellow patriots who are white stating, "These patriots do not give a hoot about Obama's skin color. They simply love their country and oppose his radical agenda. Obama's race is not an issue."

Recently, I have come to believe that perhaps I am wrong about Obama's race not being an issue. In reality, Obama's presidency has everything to do with racism, but not from the Tea Party movement. Progressives and Obama have exploited his race from the rookie senator's virtually unchallenged presidential campaign to his unprecedented bullying of America into Obamacare. Obama's race trumped all normal media scrutiny of him as a presidential candidate and most recently even the Constitution of the United States . Obamacare forces all Americans to purchase health care which is clearly unconstitutional.

No white president could get away with boldly and arrogantly thwarting the will of the American people and ignoring laws. President Clinton tried universal health care. Bush tried social security reform. The American people said "no" to both president's proposals and it was the end of it. So how can Obama get away with giving the American people the finger? The answer. He is black.

The mainstream liberal media continues to portray all who oppose Obama in any way as racist. Despite a list of failed policies, overreaches into the private sector, violations of the Constitution and planned destructive legislation too numerous to mention in this article, many Americans are still fearful of criticizing our first black president. Incredible.

My fellow Americans, you must not continue to allow yourselves to be "played" and intimidated by Obama's race or the historical context of his presidency. If we are to save America , the greatest nation on the planet, Obama's progressive agenda must be stopped.

Lloyd Marcus (black) Unhyphenated American, Singer/Songwriter, Entertainer, Author, Artist & Tea Party Patriot

2010 Lloyd Marcus - All Rights Reserved
SHARE THIS WITH AMERICA ! ! ! !

 

[moreluck]

Re: Obamanomics

 

[moreluck]

Re: Obamanomics

Huge waste of money !!!!

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/02/09/footing-m-security-upgrade/

 

[Babagounj]

Re: Obamanomics

US Home Foreclosures Rise in January, More Seen

The number of foreclosure filings, which includes default notices, scheduled auctions and bank repossessions, rose 1 percent to 261,333 in January.
The report also showed 1 in every 497 houses received a foreclosure filing during the month. Five states -- California, Florida, Michigan, Arizona and Illinois -- continued to account for more than half of all foreclosure filings.

 

[moreluck]

Re: Obamanomics