Depends. Sometimes it's so big that nobody knows what's in it. Other times they know everything that's in it and it's all full of taxes, death panels and Darth Vader-like administrators.
President Obama!
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Re: Obamanation here today
I'm sure it's not BS to him. I think he does want to make our lives into his version of better.
I'm sure it's not BS to him. I think he does want to make our lives into his version of better.
Re: Obamanomics
You stick with the feel good nature of town hall pundits, then set yourself up for BIG dissapointment in november.
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You stick with the feel good nature of town hall pundits, then set yourself up for BIG dissapointment in november.
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moreluck
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Oh wise one, tell me again how the goverment (congress) cant MANDATE anything cause its against the US constitution again? Or tell me how the founders ( the creators of goverment health care and hospitals for sailors) would be against the ACA?
Oh wait, I can hear your argument already! Listen to this
death of a heartbeat - YouTube
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You stick with the cut and paste photos and ill stick to the constitution.
Did George Washington sign a health insurance mandate?
April 13th, 2012 by David E. Williams of the Health business blog
According to Harvard Law professor Einer Elhauge, in 1790 the first Congress, which included 20 framers of the Constitution, passed a law mandating that shipowners purchase medical insurance for their seamen. The bill was signed into law by President George Washington.
In 1792 Congress passed, and Washington signed, a law mandating the purchase of firearms by all able bodied men.
In 1798, when five framers were still serving in Congress and framer John Adams was in the White House, Congress passed, and Adams signed, a mandate requiring seamen to buy hospital insurance for themselves.
According to Elhauge –who joined an amicus brief supporting the mandate’s constitutionality– no one in Congress at the time thought to object to the laws on Constitutional grounds.
I don’t know what role this brief should or will play in the Court’s deliberations, but assuming the facts are correct in Elhauge’s New Republic piece it’s much more evidence of original intent than I ever would have expected.
Did George Washington sign a health insurance mandate? � Health Business Blog
moreluck
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moreluck
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Re: Obamanomics
Messiah is suppose to extend the so-called Bush tax cuts.....But, not for evrybody.
So, that would mean raising taxes for some. "The last thing you want to do is raise taxes in a recession......" Remember that line?
Only a certain class of folks get the cuts.......the others don't have morals and aren't good like the middle class....at least it was implied.
Messiah is suppose to extend the so-called Bush tax cuts.....But, not for evrybody.
So, that would mean raising taxes for some. "The last thing you want to do is raise taxes in a recession......" Remember that line?
Only a certain class of folks get the cuts.......the others don't have morals and aren't good like the middle class....at least it was implied.
moreluck
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moreluck
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Is this the model for our healthcare??
Elderly patients 'deprived of food and drink so they die quicker and save hospitals money' | Mail Online
Elderly patients 'deprived of food and drink so they die quicker and save hospitals money' | Mail Online
I am amazed how all the whining, crying and unconstitutional talk has dissappeared from this thread. Once the facts came out, and the supreme court ruling, the TEA PARTY Positions have been RENDERED, USELESS.
When the founders themselves MANDATED citizens buy health insurance and they created MARITIME hospitals to care for those citizens, all the steam from the TEA PARTY went into the river.
No more talk about the founders rolling over in their graves, or the founders would never stand for this seems like crazy talk now, in light of the FACTS on mandated health care.
Of course, we still have our resident die hard "messenger" providing us with the latest in talking points from FOX SPEWS.
Thanks for the laughs.
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I cant wait for the USELESS vote in the house on the ACA, so the GOP can get its faces on FOX SPEWS the next day talking useless smack.
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moreluck
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Re: Obamanation here today
[h=2]WaPo Fact Checker Destroys Obama’s Latest Claim It’s A “Fact” Romney Pays Less Taxes Than Middle-Class Families…[/h]
Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s taxes — WaPo Fact Checker
[h=2]WaPo Fact Checker Destroys Obama’s Latest Claim It’s A “Fact” Romney Pays Less Taxes Than Middle-Class Families…[/h]
Obama’s misleading tweet on Romney’s taxes — WaPo Fact Checker
“FACT: In 2010 and 2011, Romney paid less than 15% in taxes on $42.5 million in income—much less than what many middle-class families pay.”
— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012
We are avid readers of tweets by @BarackObama, though of course it is not the president himself but his campaign team that posts them. We are also very curious when politicians claim they have uttered “a fact.”
So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families.
Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.
But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)
Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 milli
on — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. [...]
Skipping to the conclusion:— Tweet by @BarackObama, July 3, 2012
We are avid readers of tweets by @BarackObama, though of course it is not the president himself but his campaign team that posts them. We are also very curious when politicians claim they have uttered “a fact.”
So, is it really true that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, who is very wealthy, pays a tax rate “much less” than “many” middle-class families.
Romney released his 2010 tax return and an estimate of his 2011 return earlier this year. He earned a little more than $20 million each year, a good chunk of it in capital gains and dividends, which are taxed at a preferential rate as low as 15 percent.
But that’s not the only reason why Romney’s tax rate is at that level. He also donates about 14 percent of his income to charity, which gives him a pretty big tax deduction. (As we have noted, President Obama in 2010 also gave about 14 percent of his income to charity.)
Indeed, Romney gives about as much to charity — $3 milli
on — as he pays in taxes. Those itemized deductions are counted against income that would ordinarily be taxed at a 35-percent rate. We figure that without those donations to charity, his effective tax rate would be at least 19 percent. [...]
The Pinocchio Test
The Obama campaign’s tweet relies on a very slippery “fact.”
Romney, by receiving much of his income in capital gains and dividends and giving millions of dollars to charity, is certainly able to keep his effective tax rate relatively low, especially compared to a wealthy person who earns much of his or her income in salary. But, even so, Romney still pays an effective tax rate that is higher than the tax rate paid by most Americans.
The Obama campaign’s tweet relies on a very slippery “fact.”
Romney, by receiving much of his income in capital gains and dividends and giving millions of dollars to charity, is certainly able to keep his effective tax rate relatively low, especially compared to a wealthy person who earns much of his or her income in salary. But, even so, Romney still pays an effective tax rate that is higher than the tax rate paid by most Americans.
av8torntn
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Sad to think that you made it through public schools(I assume but can't be certain) and can't see a difference.
av8torntn
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Does more than that but excellent that you can't see it.
FOR WHO? Those of you still licking your wounds?
You know as well as EVERYONE else in America, that this useless vote and bill to repeal will never see the senate or OBAMAS desk.
An excersise in futility.
But what else did we expect from the GOP while controlling congress??
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